Oddly Lee christianity won't be dying just sluffing off the infected
sick and infected parts.
Allan
Air gunner full of hot air ready to release it quickly
On Dec 14, 2012 10:51 PM, "Lee Douglas" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ohh I don't know about arrogant Allan. I think it's more like they
have painted themselves into a corner. You can't change the word of
God (read bible) so you must bend it and manipulate it to mean what
you say it means. Unless of course you have the power to change it
like our very own King James or that reprobate Constantine. Now of
course if we get a liberal Pope, perhaps one day, but I really do
think that the death knell for Christianity has started to sound,
unless they move quickly.
In other news I saw a report on the news the other day that said
those in the UK who proclaim no religious faith now stands at 25%
that is a 10% increase since last year. Honestly although a lot of
us here proclaim membership of the Anglican church, I think a great
deal of it is lip service, and once those above my generation start
to die out, we'll see this % number increase.
On Friday, 7 December 2012 20:02:12 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
Not at all female theology has been around since the start.. I
am not
christian .. you see administration as a change in theology
.When
you start correcting the errors christianity has made in the past.
but that would take an actual evolution in beliefs rather than
administrative changes.. but christianity is far to arrogant to do
that.. they have a problem saying they made a mistake.
shopping on sunday is an administrative type change..
Allan
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Lee Douglas
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Haha whatever gave you that impression Allan?
>
>
> Really though you don't think that female priests represent a
change in
> theology? I know both gay men and gay woman who are preists,
this is known
> and excepted in the Anglican church. I don't know one
Christian who keeps
> the sabath, rather than do a spot of shopping, do you?
>
> On Friday, 7 December 2012 14:01:48 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> I know you dis agree .. birth control and woman bishops
effectively no
>> more than administration. How has those events changing the
theology? They
>> still strickly following the rules unchanged since early
centuries
>> Allan
>>
>> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2012 1:35 PM, "Lee Douglas" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>
>>> You are joking right Allan?
>>>
>>> The changes are only in administration? So Catholics the
world over are
>>> not using contraception in spite of what the pope says? No
such change I
>>> think is driven and will be further driven by the faiths
followers more than
>>> it's leaders. When the new Arch Bishop of Canterbury
leaves his new post
>>> any changes that he has affected will still be there, one
day woman Bishops
>>> will be common place, despite any changes in administration.
>>>
>>> Besides if you think of religous ideas in the same way as
any and all
>>> other ideas, then it is clear to see that such ideas will
evolve or die. We
>>> no longer belive that the Earth is the center of the
universe, that right
>>> there is a dead religous idea. Yet Catholosism is still
very much with us,
>>> and that right there is an example of evolotion of the idea
rather than the
>>> admisistration.
>>> On Friday, 7 December 2012 11:40:07 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The changes are only in administration,, to me that is not
evolutionary
>>>> type change
>>>> Allan
>>>>
>>>> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 7, 2012 11:51 AM, "Lee Douglas"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hahah maybey, maybe. I am though the eternal optimist so
I see things
>>>>> differantly.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Anglican church in particular are making some good
moves.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are though only two things I wish to comment on at
this momnet.
>>>>>
>>>>> My career in IT support thus far informs me that people
do seem to have
>>>>> an inbuilt resistance to change, and ultimatly the
Christian church in
>>>>> particular but of course all other dogmatic religions
need to change or they
>>>>> risk dieing out.
>>>>> On Friday, 7 December 2012 10:02:37 UTC, Allan Heretic
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I have seen it does evolve.. it seems mostly
in the
>>>>>> negative directions.. probably because of greed and a
desire to
>>>>>> control rather than spirituality.. there are exceptions
but they are
>>>>>> rare.
>>>>>> Allan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Lee Douglas
<[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > And in truth Allan religion does evolove, perhaps
slowly but evolove
>>>>>> > it
>>>>>> > does.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Thursday, 6 December 2012 19:21:35 UTC, Allan
Heretic wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I think that religion should evolve..just like the
rest of the
>>>>>> >> universe.. when the evolution stops it begins to
die.. a good
>>>>>> >> example
>>>>>> >> of dead beliefs is those our fundamentalist friend is
presenting.
>>>>>> >> Recite the magickal incantation and and every thing
will be all
>>>>>> >> right.. this statement to me is one of a dead faith'
>>>>>> >> Allan
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:31 PM, archytas
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > Biology is describing a 'co-evolution arms race'.
Religious
>>>>>> >> > notions
>>>>>> >> > of the eternal have a lot in common with Popper's
'World 3' and
>>>>>> >> > what
>>>>>> >> > we can regard as 'objective' and 'factual' I'm as
sure as you
>>>>>> >> > about
>>>>>> >> > the 'meanness' you often describe and believe the
way through it,
>>>>>> >> > past
>>>>>> >> > it, whatever - is spiritual - maybe a kind of dawning.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > There's a joke in the new Batman film (other 2
hours plus
>>>>>> >> > rubbish) -
>>>>>> >> > when the bad guys raid the stock exchange a trader
says there is
>>>>>> >> > no
>>>>>> >> > money there for them to steal - the answer is that
there must be
>>>>>> >> > -
>>>>>> >> > otherwise the traders wouldn't be there. I think
economics is
>>>>>> >> > largely
>>>>>> >> > a fetish designed around libidinal and domination
'needs' - but
>>>>>> >> > even
>>>>>> >> > organised religion becomes such. My guess is we
need a spiritual
>>>>>> >> > democracy and finance is set against this forcing
us into
>>>>>> >> > compliance
>>>>>> >> > with its control fraud much as many routinely bend
their knees in
>>>>>> >> > religious observance. Science, admittedly as
reliably as a
>>>>>> >> > double-
>>>>>> >> > glazing salesman, is suggesting human-biological
intelligence is
>>>>>> >> > already giving way to more machine-substrates that
offer quasi-
>>>>>> >> > immortality and intellect beyond a singularity we
can hardly
>>>>>> >> > imagine.
>>>>>> >> > In my science fiction dreaming we may discover the
alien life on
>>>>>> >> > Earth
>>>>>> >> > is actually ours and we have only been used by
another, more
>>>>>> >> > worthy
>>>>>> >> > consciousness..
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > On 6 Dec, 12:26, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> Many things are best guesses.. are the foundation
to many
>>>>>> >> >> things along
>>>>>> >> >> what has been observed .. and there is nothing
wrong with that
>>>>>> >> >> .. many
>>>>>> >> >> ideas have evolved from the instinct for survival
.. from that
>>>>>> >> >> has come
>>>>>> >> >> selfishness which has lead to the excessive
uncaring greed we
>>>>>> >> >> see
>>>>>> >> >> today...
>>>>>> >> >> sacrificing the other ant.
>>>>>> >> >> Allan
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>>>>>> >> >> On Dec 6, 2012 11:09 AM, "archytas"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have
used.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > I guess that David Deutsch and constructor
theory tries to get
>>>>>> >> >> > back
>>>>>> >> >> > to
>>>>>> >> >> > reminding science about its root guesses Allan.
I take from
>>>>>> >> >> > 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to
destroy slaver ants
>>>>>> >> >> > that
>>>>>> >> >> > pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival
instinct.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > Descartes had it that until we could get to a
point of
>>>>>> >> >> > re-evaluating
>>>>>> >> >> > against his radical doubt one had to trust in a
beneficent
>>>>>> >> >> > god.
>>>>>> >> >> > Whilst we can criticize his system, I think
anti-religious
>>>>>> >> >> > science
>>>>>> >> >> > misses the beat on issues of how we can live
until we know
>>>>>> >> >> > more. The
>>>>>> >> >> > spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to
avoid in its
>>>>>> >> >> > history
>>>>>> >> >> > of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes -
but plenty to
>>>>>> >> >> > learn
>>>>>> >> >> > in terms of grace and fellowship.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> > > it is not for cleaning hands ,, it just gets
rid of smell
>>>>>> >> >> > > that
>>>>>> >> >> > > you
>>>>>> >> >> > > can not get rid of no matter how much you
wash.. you just
>>>>>> >> >> > > wash
>>>>>> >> >> > > after
>>>>>> >> >> > > youor hands are clean,, then the smell is gone.
>>>>>> >> >> > > Allan
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott
>>>>>> >> >> > > <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >> >> > > wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> > > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel
soap bar for
>>>>>> >> >> > > > cleaning
>>>>>> >> >> > > > my
>>>>>> >> >> > hands. I
>>>>>> >> >> > > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans.
And for the more
>>>>>> >> >> > > > difficult
>>>>>> >> >> > dirt on
>>>>>> >> >> > > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And
more and more
>>>>>> >> >> > > > often I
>>>>>> >> >> > > > wear
>>>>>> >> >> > > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and
onion. But
>>>>>> >> >> > > > thanks for
>>>>>> >> >> > > > the
>>>>>> >> >> > tip.
>>>>>> >> >> > > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it.
Why not steel
>>>>>> >> >> > > > instead
>>>>>> >> >> > > > of
>>>>>> >> >> > stone,
>>>>>> >> >> > > > you're right.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM
UTC+1, Allan
>>>>>> >> >> > > > Heretic
>>>>>> >> >> > > > wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> Well actually Gabby I have this stainless
steel soap bar
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> used
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> for
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands
things like onion,
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> Garlic
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> ,,
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> any strong ordure ,, just tried it on the
epoxy smell
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> left
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> over from
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the
universe,, how
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> does it
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> work?
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> Allan
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > The pointlessness of the points'
business. Like Lee, I
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > find
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > the God
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > concept
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > much more to the point. :)
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model -
first spirit,
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > then
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > matter -
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > though.
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;)
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the
Chronos story
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > is much
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > more
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > vivid
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it was
good" story.
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > That's
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > true.
>>>>>> >> >> > But
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > the
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > children are less likely to have bad
dreams at night.
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > Which is
>>>>>> >> >> > really
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > good.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > Sorry, Allan, I got carried away. What
were you talking
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > about?
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> > 2012/12/4 Allan H <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> a series of creation is at best a wild
guess with no
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> supporting
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> evidence..
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> Allan
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> > You can pinpoint the beginning of this
universe but
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> > not
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> > that of
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> > Creation with its series of universes.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> > <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> That is not true the beginning can
be pretty much
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> pinpointed
>>>>>> >> >> > .. as
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> for
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> parallel universes that is just a
wild guess with
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> nothing
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> to
>>>>>> >> >> > support
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> the
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> other than it sounds good. There is
more evidence
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> supporting
>>>>>> >> >> > the
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> spiritual
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> realm than parallel universes
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> Allan
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh"
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> In my view there is no beginning to
creation.
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> There is
>>>>>> >> >> > beginning
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> and
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> end to universes There are infinite
no. of
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> universes in
>>>>>> >> >> > parallel
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> and
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> continuously many universes are
being born and
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> many are
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> dying
>>>>>> >> >> > ,
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> but
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> Creation which includes infinite
universes in
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> eternal
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> time ,
>>>>>> >> >> > just
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> like
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> the Spirit, is without beginning and
without end.
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> The
>>>>>> >> >> > difference is
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> that the nature of creation is
dualistic and the
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> Spirit
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> is
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> non-dual.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee
Douglas <
>>>>>> >> >> > [email protected]>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > Hello Andrew,
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > Heh I can envisage many things,
but alas many of
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > them
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > are not
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > true.
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > I
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > distinguish between two things,
matter and
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > spirit.
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > Mattter
>>>>>> >> >> > is
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > all
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > that
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > is
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > physical, which includes physical
'matter' and
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > also
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > energy.
>>>>>> >> >> > To
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > me
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > there
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > is
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > no paradox of who created the
creator. Before
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > the
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > begining
>>>>>> >> >> > there
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > was
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > only
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > God, God in spirit, and God
created the creation
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > out of
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > the
>>>>>> >> >> > spirt
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > of
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > God.
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > That is all matter comes from spirit.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > On Friday, 30 November 2012
18:32:43 UTC, andrew
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > vecsey
>>>>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> Lee, I can see where all matter
has to have an
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> energy
>>>>>> >> >> > component
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> to
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> it
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> because matter is manifested as
atoms which
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> have
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> motion in
>>>>>> >> >> > them.
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> But I
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> could
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> also envision pure motion without
involving any
>>>>>> >> >> > atoms...like a
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> vibration in
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> the fabric of space,
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012
5:53:26 PM UTC+1,
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> Lee
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> Douglas
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> Heh except of course that when
it comes right
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> down to
>>>>>> >> >> > it.energy
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> is
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> matter
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> and matter is energy.
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012
11:22:14 UTC,
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> andrew
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> vecsey
>>>>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who
created the
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> creator
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> can be
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> circumnavigated by the
possibility that the
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> original
>>>>>> >> >> > creator
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> was
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> not
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> matter,
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking
of anything is
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> much
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> faster
>>>>>> >> >> > and
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> much
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> easier
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> than building it, it becomes
conceivable that
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> energy
>>>>>> >> >> > patterns
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> could
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> have
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> evolved in a random chance way
and finely
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> tuned by
>>>>>> >> >> > selective
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> processes to
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> reach intelligence similar to
how most
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> scientists
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> believe
>>>>>> >> >> > that
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> patterns of
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to
form
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> intelligent
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> life.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> Energy patterns could have
evolved to a point
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> that
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> they
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> manipulated
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and
forms to code
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> the
>>>>>> >> >> > information
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> required
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> for
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> life and to allow them to
evolve on their own
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> to
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> complex
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> intelligent
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> beings
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> able to wonder at and
eventually to solve the
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> riddle
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> of
>>>>>> >> >> > where
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> they
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> came
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> from, where they are going and
why they are
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> alive.
>>>>>> >> >> > Meaning and
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> purpose could
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> then be given to our fleeting
moment of
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> existence.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012
7:55:05 PM
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> UTC+1,
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> archytas
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> ....... All we have in
respect of this is
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> to posit
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation, begging the question
of what
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> created that
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> in an
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> infinite
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> intelligent state
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> in
>>>>>> >> >> > which
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> myths are replaced by
something more
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> plausible and
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> Truth
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> comes
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> closer.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > Neil , even after
re-transposition how
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > long could
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the
>>>>>> >> >> > brain
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > live
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or
maybe as long
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > as the
>>>>>> >> >> > universe
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ,but
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be
destroyed at
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the end
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > -
>>>>>> >> >> > time of
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > universe. What survives is
the Truth
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > behind life
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > and
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > nothing
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > else.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33
AM, archytas
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene
- subject to
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > mutations
>>>>>> >> >> > etc. We
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > already
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > assimilation.
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > One's mind
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > transposed to another
substrate (nearish
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > future) -
>>>>>> >> >> > our
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > bodies
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5
years or so-
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > and the
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > new
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrate
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could
>>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would
allow minds to
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> ...
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> read more ยป
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > --
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>> >> (
>>>>>> >> )
>>>>>> >> |_D Allan
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I am a Natural Airgunner -
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> (
>>>>>> )
>>>>>> |_D Allan
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>>>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> --
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|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
I am a Natural Airgunner -
Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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