that is true.. xtians are great at celebrating pagan holidays.. Allan On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:00 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > The Xtians do Xmas quite well Lee - though it is in fact the Anglo- > Saxon New Year. > > On 7 Dec, 16:35, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: >> Haha whatever gave you that impression Allan? >> >> Really though you don't think that female priests represent a change in >> theology? I know both gay men and gay woman who are preists, this is known >> and excepted in the Anglican church. I don't know one Christian who keeps >> the sabath, rather than do a spot of shopping, do you? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 7 December 2012 14:01:48 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> > I know you dis agree .. birth control and woman bishops effectively no >> > more than administration. How has those events changing the theology? They >> > still strickly following the rules unchanged since early centuries >> > Allan >> >> > Matrix ** th3 beginning light >> > On Dec 7, 2012 1:35 PM, "Lee Douglas" <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> > wrote: >> >> >> You are joking right Allan? >> >> >> The changes are only in administration? So Catholics the world over are >> >> not using contraception in spite of what the pope says? No such change I >> >> think is driven and will be further driven by the faiths followers more >> >> than it's leaders. When the new Arch Bishop of Canterbury leaves his new >> >> post any changes that he has affected will still be there, one day woman >> >> Bishops will be common place, despite any changes in administration. >> >> >> Besides if you think of religous ideas in the same way as any and all >> >> other ideas, then it is clear to see that such ideas will evolve or die. >> >> We no longer belive that the Earth is the center of the universe, that >> >> right there is a dead religous idea. Yet Catholosism is still very much >> >> with us, and that right there is an example of evolotion of the idea >> >> rather >> >> than the admisistration. >> >> On Friday, 7 December 2012 11:40:07 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> >>> The changes are only in administration,, to me that is not evolutionary >> >>> type change >> >>> Allan >> >> >>> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >> >>> On Dec 7, 2012 11:51 AM, "Lee Douglas" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>> Hahah maybey, maybe. I am though the eternal optimist so I see things >> >>>> differantly. >> >> >>>> The Anglican church in particular are making some good moves. >> >> >>>> There are though only two things I wish to comment on at this momnet. >> >> >>>> My career in IT support thus far informs me that people do seem to have >> >>>> an inbuilt resistance to change, and ultimatly the Christian church in >> >>>> particular but of course all other dogmatic religions need to change or >> >>>> they risk dieing out. >> >>>> On Friday, 7 December 2012 10:02:37 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> >>>>> From what I have seen it does evolve.. it seems mostly in the >> >>>>> negative directions.. probably because of greed and a desire to >> >>>>> control rather than spirituality.. there are exceptions but they are >> >>>>> rare. >> >>>>> Allan >> >> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> > And in truth Allan religion does evolove, perhaps slowly but evolove >> >>>>> it >> >>>>> > does. >> >> >>>>> > On Thursday, 6 December 2012 19:21:35 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> I think that religion should evolve..just like the rest of the >> >>>>> >> universe.. when the evolution stops it begins to die.. a good >> >>>>> example >> >>>>> >> of dead beliefs is those our fundamentalist friend is presenting. >> >>>>> >> Recite the magickal incantation and and every thing will be all >> >>>>> >> right.. this statement to me is one of a dead faith' >> >>>>> >> Allan >> >> >>>>> >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:31 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> > Biology is describing a 'co-evolution arms race'. Religious >> >>>>> notions >> >>>>> >> > of the eternal have a lot in common with Popper's 'World 3' and >> >>>>> what >> >>>>> >> > we can regard as 'objective' and 'factual' I'm as sure as you >> >>>>> about >> >>>>> >> > the 'meanness' you often describe and believe the way through it, >> >>>>> past >> >>>>> >> > it, whatever - is spiritual - maybe a kind of dawning. >> >> >>>>> >> > There's a joke in the new Batman film (other 2 hours plus >> >>>>> rubbish) - >> >>>>> >> > when the bad guys raid the stock exchange a trader says there is >> >>>>> no >> >>>>> >> > money there for them to steal - the answer is that there must be >> >>>>> - >> >>>>> >> > otherwise the traders wouldn't be there. I think economics is >> >>>>> largely >> >>>>> >> > a fetish designed around libidinal and domination 'needs' - but >> >>>>> even >> >>>>> >> > organised religion becomes such. My guess is we need a spiritual >> >>>>> >> > democracy and finance is set against this forcing us into >> >>>>> compliance >> >>>>> >> > with its control fraud much as many routinely bend their knees in >> >>>>> >> > religious observance. Science, admittedly as reliably as a >> >>>>> double- >> >>>>> >> > glazing salesman, is suggesting human-biological intelligence is >> >>>>> >> > already giving way to more machine-substrates that offer quasi- >> >>>>> >> > immortality and intellect beyond a singularity we can hardly >> >>>>> imagine. >> >>>>> >> > In my science fiction dreaming we may discover the alien life on >> >>>>> Earth >> >>>>> >> > is actually ours and we have only been used by another, more >> >>>>> worthy >> >>>>> >> > consciousness.. >> >> >>>>> >> > On 6 Dec, 12:26, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >> Many things are best guesses.. are the foundation to many >> >>>>> things along >> >>>>> >> >> what has been observed .. and there is nothing wrong with that >> >>>>> .. many >> >>>>> >> >> ideas have evolved from the instinct for survival .. from that >> >>>>> has come >> >>>>> >> >> selfishness which has lead to the excessive uncaring greed we >> >>>>> see >> >>>>> >> >> today... >> >>>>> >> >> sacrificing the other ant. >> >>>>> >> >> Allan >> >> >>>>> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >> >>>>> >> >> On Dec 6, 2012 11:09 AM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> > Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have used. >> >> >>>>> >> >> > I guess that David Deutsch and constructor theory tries to get >> >>>>> back >> >>>>> >> >> > to >> >>>>> >> >> > reminding science about its root guesses Allan. I take from >> >>>>> >> >> > 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to destroy slaver ants >> >>>>> that >> >>>>> >> >> > pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival instinct. >> >> >>>>> >> >> > Descartes had it that until we could get to a point of >> >>>>> re-evaluating >> >>>>> >> >> > against his radical doubt one had to trust in a beneficent >> >>>>> god. >> >>>>> >> >> > Whilst we can criticize his system, I think anti-religious >> >>>>> science >> >>>>> >> >> > misses the beat on issues of how we can live until we know >> >>>>> more. The >> >>>>> >> >> > spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to avoid in its >> >>>>> history >> >>>>> >> >> > of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes - but plenty to >> >>>>> learn >> >>>>> >> >> > in terms of grace and fellowship. >> >> >>>>> >> >> > On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >> > > it is not for cleaning hands ,, it just gets rid of smell >> >>>>> that >> >>>>> >> >> > > you >> >>>>> >> >> > > can not get rid of no matter how much you wash.. you just >> >>>>> wash >> >>>>> >> >> > > after >> >>>>> >> >> > > youor hands are clean,, then the smell is gone. >> >>>>> >> >> > > Allan >> >> >>>>> >> >> > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott < >> >>>>> [email protected]> >> >>>>> >> >> > > wrote: >> >>>>> >> >> > > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel soap bar for >> >>>>> cleaning >> >>>>> >> >> > > > my >> >>>>> >> >> > hands. I >> >>>>> >> >> > > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans. And for the more >> >>>>> >> >> > > > difficult >> >>>>> >> >> > dirt on >> >>>>> >> >> > > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And more and more >> >>>>> often I >> >>>>> >> >> > > > wear >> >>>>> >> >> > > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and onion. But >> >>>>> thanks for >> >>>>> >> >> > > > the >> >>>>> >> >> > tip. >> >>>>> >> >> > > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it. Why not steel >> >>>>> instead >> >>>>> >> >> > > > of >> >>>>> >> >> > stone, >> >>>>> >> >> > > > you're right. >> >> >>>>> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM UTC+1, Allan >> >>>>> Heretic >> >>>>> >> >> > > > wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> Well actually Gabby I have this stainless steel soap bar >> >>>>> used >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> for >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands things like onion, >> >>>>> Garlic >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> ,, >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> any strong ordure ,, just tried it on the epoxy smell >> >>>>> left >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> over from >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler. >> >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the universe,, how >> >>>>> does it >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> work? >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> Allan >> >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott < >> >>>>> [email protected]> >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > The pointlessness of the points' business. Like Lee, I >> >>>>> find >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > the God >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > concept >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > much more to the point. :) >> >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first spirit, >> >>>>> then >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > matter - >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > though. >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;) >> >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos story >> >>>>> is much >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > more >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > vivid >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it was good" story. >> >>>>> That's >> >>>>> >> >> > > >> > true. >> >>>>> >> >> > But >> >> ... >> >> read more ยป > > -- > > >
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