We can have a positive attitude or a negative attitude , but can we have a neutral attitude?
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:16 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > I have found that attachment to fruits of actions lead to much heartbreak > when the opposite of your expectation happens. It is written in the Gita > that a person should live in a state of detachment and be the same in the > good or bad occurrences , I don't know if this is possible human nature > being what it is , but if we can reach this state I think we can be better > persons. Everything being history only actions are in our hands including > that of efforts to change ourselves , and the future is history. If you are > expecting good and something very bad happens it seems like a shock and for > some moment at least you lose your balance but if you are detached to the > fruits of actions you are in a state of coolness and not shaken by the > greatest calamity ever. > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:44 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> You have to accept before you do and if you cannot accept the process >> stops. You have to keep some framework in your conscious mind to keep a >> conscious check on yourself and it is not a creed but a way of living , >> trying to improve yourself as a person. Now what wrong could be there in >> having self-respect and not being arrogant , what wrong in not being greedy >> and not have anger issues. If you want to stop smoking you have to first >> take the decision to stop , then only can you give the effort. >> >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk them and >>> mean none. Chris' statement is probably as close as I get, but this soon >>> doesn't work in practice. Doing no harm to others quickly proves >>> difficult. We do this in the West simply by living as we do, praying to the >>> Lord or otherwise. In some philosophy, all speech has a hostile element,as >>> does censorship on what can be said. >>> >>> The first thing for me is evidence. This is an extremely difficult >>> topic. Molly's God is quite acceptable to me, but my evidence is not >>> direct. I only feel 'him' in her words (even this in evidence terms is >>> inadequate - 'words' - we have never met). >>> The next is probably what Allan is trying to do here. I have some >>> conception of myself as a person and the turmoil of my thought and making >>> sense of stuff. Other people have often proved to have much better (and >>> much worse) ideas and been prepared to share them. George Kelly springs to >>> my mind on this - http://www.centrepcp.co.uk/whatis.htm - and personal >>> construct theory. >>> I approve Allan's efforts here (though it's important to me he need no >>> such approval) - but immediately think we have a lot of material from all >>> over the world and hundreds of different cultures (there are this many on >>> Papua New Guinea alone). What of the evidence we have from them, against >>> our predominantly 'white insularity'? >>> Evidence, imagination and trying to do the right thing. Read about >>> Socrates in Plato, but remember the fine words came from the free table at >>> the head of a slave society. Hear about the Good Samaritan, but wonder why >>> we still have a society of 'worthies' that just pass on by, perhaps to >>> their church of peace. >>> >>> Gabby doesn't live down a rabbit hole in Seven Acres Park Allan. I >>> thought she might not be answering the dogs' knocks because she doesn't >>> like me, so asked the woman with the ferrets (she is real) to have them >>> check. The world of imagination is such that when Gabbs says 'it smells in >>> here' it could be because she has just come in, or she may be the little >>> child pointing out the Emperor is naked. Language is harder than we >>> think. I have 'one smart little cookie' in mind about Gabby. This could be >>> chronic sexism, patronising, an insult to cookies - or a quick utter of >>> something I think that isn't quite that - or an offer to be beaten up by >>> politically correct bullies. Walk with me into the rabbit hole of !Kung >>> society - we would find no adult twins and we might ponder genetics - in >>> fact, infanticide is common in their tough world. Would we think badly of >>> them? They have creed. >>> >>> It goes dark at night, therefore big bang. I prefer the way scientists >>> explain this to instruments of torture. Doing no harm to others collapses >>> with je suis charlie. Religion sounds very selfish to me. Yet one can >>> admire Salvation Army people doing a soup run, despite their views on >>> homosexuality. Would I kill the second born twin? Down the !Kung rabbit >>> hole I probably would as !Kung. So where does creed come from? >>> >>> I'd like us to live in evidence based practice. Why we still speak of >>> creed in today's world of Public Relations appals me. >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 10:07:28 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Neil are you sure Cabbies hiding in a rabbit hole?? Would like the >>>> guidelines she and the rest of the ME following.. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds-Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 9:13 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>> >>>> It's difficult to boil something as complex as personal moral >>>> relativism down into some simple edicts. I suppose the closest I could add >>>> would be: >>>> >>>> - If it harms none, do as you will. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I hope others doctrine their personal moral ideas to the discussion. >>>>> The more we have the better ,, that includes you Chris. And Neil. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 3:37 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>> >>>>> My moral compass >>>>> Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the right >>>>> thing. >>>>> do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and family. >>>>> Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse. >>>>> Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others. >>>>> Don't be angry but take care to do your duties. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you want a social experiment we need to set up moral guidelines >>>>>> from which to work.. if you disagree with them that is fine. ,, no >>>>>> problem.. just remember it really is a social experiment,, you need to >>>>>> come up with what your personal moral compass to replace it.. it is not >>>>>> a >>>>>> cut and paste exercise. My compass is around 500 created in length,, >>>>>> presentations should around that length. >>>>>> >>>>>> My Compass: >>>>>> >>>>>> Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being... >>>>>> Love my neighbor as myself >>>>>> As I judge other so too will I be judge >>>>>> Do No Harm >>>>>> Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others >>>>>> Avoid being enslaved by possessions >>>>>> ~~~※☆※~~~ >>>>>> Jesus said "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all >>>>>> things are plain in the light of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not >>>>>> become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being >>>>>> uncovered." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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