So I conclude that detachment is not such a good thing and I would rather be positive with its chance of going into shock than to be indifferent to any outcome.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 8:36 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Biologically we split fairly well into two temperaments as infants. > Detachment seems reasonable as an 'ideal type' RP - though it has also been > the excuse of 'fascist steel' and economists so stupid they imagine they > act by replicating the scientists' "objectivity" - a mythical state. Your > point was taken up by the Freud of 'Modernity and its Discontents' and the > split between the paranoid-schizoid and 'depressive' positions towards > life. Max Weber articulated the rational-legal position as against > charismatic fascism, but also worried about the iron cage of bureaucracy. > Heidegger and much eastern philosophy (which we have taken up in the West > with too much Greek modification and copying) focuses on what it is to be. > I'm more materialist at the beginning of analysis and think we need to > understand the big difference between what we can create with technology > and its business control. Veblen got to this, but his theory doesn't suit > the powerful. Around 1910 we had a lot of active political debate here on > democratic foreign policy (here people like ED Morel who unseated Churchill > in Dundee, Wallace in the US and Gandhi). Even the Nazis had socialists > who wanted a union of free workers across Europe. I think we can safely > say fascism in Weber's sense has won. The world remains run by oligarchies > who cut up the booty between them.. > > > On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 1:33:23 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >> >> We can have a positive attitude or a negative attitude , but can we have >> a neutral attitude? >> >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:16 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I have found that attachment to fruits of actions lead to much >>> heartbreak when the opposite of your expectation happens. It is written in >>> the Gita that a person should live in a state of detachment and be the same >>> in the good or bad occurrences , I don't know if this is possible human >>> nature being what it is , but if we can reach this state I think we can be >>> better persons. Everything being history only actions are in our hands >>> including that of efforts to change ourselves , and the future is history. >>> If you are expecting good and something very bad happens it seems like a >>> shock and for some moment at least you lose your balance but if you are >>> detached to the fruits of actions you are in a state of coolness and not >>> shaken by the greatest calamity ever. >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:44 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> You have to accept before you do and if you cannot accept the process >>>> stops. You have to keep some framework in your conscious mind to keep a >>>> conscious check on yourself and it is not a creed but a way of living , >>>> trying to improve yourself as a person. Now what wrong could be there in >>>> having self-respect and not being arrogant , what wrong in not being greedy >>>> and not have anger issues. If you want to stop smoking you have to first >>>> take the decision to stop , then only can you give the effort. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk them >>>>> and mean none. Chris' statement is probably as close as I get, but this >>>>> soon doesn't work in practice. Doing no harm to others quickly proves >>>>> difficult. We do this in the West simply by living as we do, praying to >>>>> the >>>>> Lord or otherwise. In some philosophy, all speech has a hostile >>>>> element,as >>>>> does censorship on what can be said. >>>>> >>>>> The first thing for me is evidence. This is an extremely difficult >>>>> topic. Molly's God is quite acceptable to me, but my evidence is not >>>>> direct. I only feel 'him' in her words (even this in evidence terms is >>>>> inadequate - 'words' - we have never met). >>>>> The next is probably what Allan is trying to do here. I have some >>>>> conception of myself as a person and the turmoil of my thought and making >>>>> sense of stuff. Other people have often proved to have much better (and >>>>> much worse) ideas and been prepared to share them. George Kelly springs >>>>> to >>>>> my mind on this - http://www.centrepcp.co.uk/whatis.htm - and >>>>> personal construct theory. >>>>> I approve Allan's efforts here (though it's important to me he need no >>>>> such approval) - but immediately think we have a lot of material from all >>>>> over the world and hundreds of different cultures (there are this many on >>>>> Papua New Guinea alone). What of the evidence we have from them, against >>>>> our predominantly 'white insularity'? >>>>> Evidence, imagination and trying to do the right thing. Read about >>>>> Socrates in Plato, but remember the fine words came from the free table at >>>>> the head of a slave society. Hear about the Good Samaritan, but wonder >>>>> why >>>>> we still have a society of 'worthies' that just pass on by, perhaps to >>>>> their church of peace. >>>>> >>>>> Gabby doesn't live down a rabbit hole in Seven Acres Park Allan. I >>>>> thought she might not be answering the dogs' knocks because she doesn't >>>>> like me, so asked the woman with the ferrets (she is real) to have them >>>>> check. The world of imagination is such that when Gabbs says 'it smells >>>>> in >>>>> here' it could be because she has just come in, or she may be the little >>>>> child pointing out the Emperor is naked. Language is harder than we >>>>> think. I have 'one smart little cookie' in mind about Gabby. This could >>>>> be >>>>> chronic sexism, patronising, an insult to cookies - or a quick utter of >>>>> something I think that isn't quite that - or an offer to be beaten up by >>>>> politically correct bullies. Walk with me into the rabbit hole of !Kung >>>>> society - we would find no adult twins and we might ponder genetics - in >>>>> fact, infanticide is common in their tough world. Would we think badly of >>>>> them? They have creed. >>>>> >>>>> It goes dark at night, therefore big bang. I prefer the way >>>>> scientists explain this to instruments of torture. Doing no harm to >>>>> others >>>>> collapses with je suis charlie. Religion sounds very selfish to me. Yet >>>>> one can admire Salvation Army people doing a soup run, despite their views >>>>> on homosexuality. Would I kill the second born twin? Down the !Kung >>>>> rabbit hole I probably would as !Kung. So where does creed come from? >>>>> >>>>> I'd like us to live in evidence based practice. Why we still speak of >>>>> creed in today's world of Public Relations appals me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 10:07:28 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Neil are you sure Cabbies hiding in a rabbit hole?? Would like the >>>>>> guidelines she and the rest of the ME following.. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Minds-Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 9:13 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>>> >>>>>> It's difficult to boil something as complex as personal moral >>>>>> relativism down into some simple edicts. I suppose the closest I could >>>>>> add >>>>>> would be: >>>>>> >>>>>> - If it harms none, do as you will. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope others doctrine their personal moral ideas to the >>>>>>> discussion. The more we have the better ,, that includes you Chris. And >>>>>>> Neil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 3:37 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My moral compass >>>>>>> Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the right >>>>>>> thing. >>>>>>> do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and family. >>>>>>> Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse. >>>>>>> Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others. >>>>>>> Don't be angry but take care to do your duties. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you want a social experiment we need to set up moral guidelines >>>>>>>> from which to work.. if you disagree with them that is fine. ,, no >>>>>>>> problem.. just remember it really is a social experiment,, you need to >>>>>>>> come up with what your personal moral compass to replace it.. it is >>>>>>>> not a >>>>>>>> cut and paste exercise. My compass is around 500 created in length,, >>>>>>>> presentations should around that length. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My Compass: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being... >>>>>>>> Love my neighbor as myself >>>>>>>> As I judge other so too will I be judge >>>>>>>> Do No Harm >>>>>>>> Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others >>>>>>>> Avoid being enslaved by possessions >>>>>>>> ~~~※☆※~~~ >>>>>>>> Jesus said "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all >>>>>>>> things are plain in the light of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not >>>>>>>> become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being >>>>>>>> uncovered." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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