Thank you, Andrew, yes that helped. You helped. The internet does not help,
it offers help sites maybe. Anyways, the Bitcoint FAQ site only explained
me it was a public ledger. Hahaha. So? And then there was you and you took
the time to explain it to me .. my special thanks to you.
Also thanks to Neil's link I have got a rough idea now what you are talking
about. What is not quite clear to me yet - and I have the same problem in
colour discussions when I don't know whether they speak of additive mixing
or subtractive mixing - when 51% agree to a falsified version as you say,
is it not that the falsified version is thereby verified and not falsified?
Things get so easily twisted, not even on purpose, what does honesty mean
in this context?


2015-02-17 17:57 GMT+01:00 andrew vecsey <[email protected]>:

> You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the internet than
> I can give you. But as I like to simplify complicated things, I will give
> it a try. The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept by volunteers. The
> volunteers document transactions made by users.The ledger is verifyied by
> consensus of the volunteers. The the only way that ledger can be falsified
> is that 51% of the volunteers that maintain the ledger all have to agree to
> a falsified version of the ledger. The users broadcast a transaction they
> want to include in that ledger, and the volunteers transcribe that
> transactions in that ledger.  There is no centralized point of control, as
> the ledger is distributed by the volunteers.  The transactions can be
> Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently can not be falsified due to the
> encryption it uses, or any other transactions, like ownership of assets, or
> contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as a "trust-less system" in that
> you do not have to trust a centralized authority to maintain that ledger,
> as there are none. The protocol that is used for the blockchain is an open
> source program that prevents anyone compromising that protocol without
> everyone else knowing about any changes that might compromise it. The
> entire system is of course very complicated. The main aspects that allow
> such a system to be implemented is the mathematics of cryptology, the
> internet, the distributed network of computers, and geeks that maintain
> that network not because they want to hack or control it, but because they
> want to keep it honest. I hope that helps.
>
> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote:
>>
>> I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain technology,
>> Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay? Thanks.
>>
>> Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey :
>>
>>> I have been thinking about your post Niel.
>>> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very
>>> empowering. especially to the owners of centralized computers that offer
>>> porn, entertainment,  commerce and information. It is however the
>>> decentralized form of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling
>>> people globally to freely communicate and share information without the
>>> control of centralized powers.  The blockchain technology is the most
>>> empowering. It frees people to make money transactions without banks, legal
>>> transactions without lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice their
>>> opinions without politicians.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire
>>>> academic papers and books through still largely restricted access.  It's
>>>> much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of what
>>>> shows up is dross.  I've played with the rest to find out what is there.
>>>> Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a university
>>>> library.  Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want.
>>>>
>>>> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net
>>>> generally - in terms of how much of general consciousness this represents.
>>>> Rational discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net.  Techies spend a
>>>> lot of time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate this
>>>> sweep.  There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to do
>>>> 'expert knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build cars
>>>> but able to drive them with a bit of training.  My own bad is 'big data' as
>>>> a new language that would bring a different speed to human discourse and
>>>> potentially control of the means of production.
>>>>
>>>> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything
>>>> except trash.  I can join a site where a couple of young women will send me
>>>> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though
>>>> don't.  There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time.  I
>>>> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can be
>>>> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all.  My insurance
>>>> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via one of
>>>> the broker sites on the day.
>>>>
>>>> I do electronic teaching.  So I'm no longer racked by whatever diseases
>>>> undergraduate classes try to kill me with.  And I never see a boss or have
>>>> to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded as the
>>>> students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes.  The work is more or
>>>> less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous short
>>>> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, at
>>>> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help.
>>>>
>>>> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would
>>>> really prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider
>>>> material without packaging.  The current business model encourages loads of
>>>> channels with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with only
>>>> 1% I'd want to see and don't want to pay to support.  Sports channels
>>>> require me to pay for soccer I don't want.  Tony has done more for me in a
>>>> few minutes (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever
>>>> could.  We lack a business model of actual choice.  With one, insanestream
>>>> news and other entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC,
>>>> Discovery and so on, would be things of my past.  In chronic business
>>>> terms, I wonder how they do market segmentation at all.  I am sick of Blue
>>>> Peter (kids programme here) presentation.
>>>>
>>>> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group
>>>> wanting something very different and something large enough not to be a
>>>> part of when time presses and so on.  Uber, properly supervised against
>>>> racist drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can
>>>> explain why - though we have not yet worked out that technology could
>>>> massively reduce what we currently call work and planet burning.  In the
>>>> meantime we can't even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and
>>>> everyone really) worrying on the curtain shades.  Give us a twirl then
>>>> girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe used to encourage.  I can see
>>>> something of a business model, starting with Chris' 'attractors'.  The
>>>> eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience - remembering very few
>>>> people do education without any kind of accreditation pay-off and the means
>>>> to pay for organisation does not move easily from free.  Current strategies
>>>> are advertising and the begging bowl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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