You did kind of bark allan. Max is getting into the habit with passers-by too. The Bitcoin sage could help us understand the allocation class. People understand money in the sense Gabby states. Few can explain what it actually is beyond vouchers to pay off what they need to live. With all the years of education we get, most think government issues money, but in fact nearly all of it is issued as debt by private banks. This is all to do with claims this is the best way to allocate the stuff. Bitcoin at least demonstrates currency could work without the banks. The rest is complex - what expert services do we really need? What does the existing finance system actually do? What is its relation to the work we actually need to get done? One idea here is theat it is a giant Ponzi scheme.
On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 8:51:41 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: > > Let's make this a third person case and say people need money. They need > money pay their bills. Please don't be so hard on them, dear Allan. > > 2015-02-17 21:15 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]>: > >> If you worship money.... >> My memory is saying it is not worth anything for data storage and >> reterival and that is what computers are about.. In 1977 I walked away from >> programming.. >> Can be fun if and that is a big if.. >> Do you like long hours and extreme focus and the edge of sanity. The >> research projects were interesting.. >> >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 8:31 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >> >> It isn't that bleak Allan. Andrew has the basic description right. >> People generally refuse to see the bigger picture these developments are >> exposing. >> >> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 6:34:02 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Dream on Andrew, sorry and I already your are going to say I am full of >> shit,, by it is okay.. all own source is good for is ease in hacking.. I >> will watch people do the delusional twisters. >> A few people will always maintain machine language you are lucky because >> they are not interested in delusional dead.. beware through he people who >> will employ them are rue control freaks. The safety net is within numbers >> and time, the segmentation ability is where the secret lies.. >> >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 5:57 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >> >> You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the internet than >> I can give you. But as I like to simplify complicated things, I will give >> it a try. The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept by volunteers. The >> volunteers document transactions made by users.The ledger is verifyied by >> consensus of the volunteers. The the only way that ledger can be falsified >> is that 51% of the volunteers that maintain the ledger all have to agree to >> a falsified version of the ledger. The users broadcast a transaction they >> want to include in that ledger, and the volunteers transcribe that >> transactions in that ledger. There is no centralized point of control, as >> the ledger is distributed by the volunteers. The transactions can be >> Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently can not be falsified due to the >> encryption it uses, or any other transactions, like ownership of assets, or >> contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as a "trust-less system" in that >> you do not have to trust a centralized authority to maintain that ledger, >> as there are none. The protocol that is used for the blockchain is an open >> source program that prevents anyone compromising that protocol without >> everyone else knowing about any changes that might compromise it. The >> entire system is of course very complicated. The main aspects that allow >> such a system to be implemented is the mathematics of cryptology, the >> internet, the distributed network of computers, and geeks that maintain >> that network not because they want to hack or control it, but because they >> want to keep it honest. I hope that helps. >> >> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote: >> >> I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain >> technology, Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay? Thanks. >> >> Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey : >> >> I have been thinking about your post Niel. >> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very >> empowering. especially to the owners of centralized computers that offer >> porn, entertainment, commerce and information. It is however the >> decentralized form of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling >> people globally to freely communicate and share information without the >> control of centralized powers. The blockchain technology is the most >> empowering. It frees people to make money transactions without banks, legal >> transactions without lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice their >> opinions without politicians. >> >> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >> >> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire >> academic papers and books through still largely restricted access. It's >> much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of what >> shows up is dross. I've played with the rest to find out what is there. >> Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a university >> library. Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want. >> >> >> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net generally >> - in terms of how much of general consciousness this represents. Rational >> discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net. Techies spend a lot of >> time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate this sweep. >> There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to do 'expert >> knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build cars but able >> to drive them with a bit of training. My own bad is 'big data' as a new >> language that would bring a different speed to human discourse and >> potentially control of the means of production. >> >> >> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything >> except trash. I can join a site where a couple of young women will send me >> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though >> don't. There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time. I >> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can be >> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all. My insurance >> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via one of >> the broker sites on the day. >> >> >> I do electronic teaching. So I'm no longer racked by whatever diseases >> undergraduate classes try to kill me with. And I never see a boss or have >> to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded as the >> students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes. The work is more or >> less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous short >> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, at >> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help. >> >> >> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would really >> prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider material >> without packaging. The current business model encourages loads of channels >> with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with only 1% I'd >> want to see and don't want to pay to support. Sports channels require me >> to pay for soccer I don't want. Tony has done more for me in a few minutes >> (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever could. We lack a >> business model of actual choice. With one, insanestream news and other >> entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC, Discovery and so >> on, would be things of my past. In chronic business terms, I wonder how >> they do market segmentation at all. I am sick of Blue Peter (kids >> programme here) presentation. >> >> >> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group wanting >> something very different and something large enough not to be a part of >> when time presses and so on. Uber, properly supervised against racist >> drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can explain why - >> though we have not yet worked out that technology could massively reduce >> what we currently call work and planet burning. In the meantime we can't >> even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and everyone really) worrying >> on the curtain shades. Give us a twirl then girl, like one of those doxies >> Bruce Forsythe used to encourage. I can see something of a business model, >> starting with Chris' 'attractors'. The eventual key is content for a >> sophisticated audience - remembering very few people do education without >> any kind of accreditation pay-off and the means to pay for organisation >> does not move easily from free. 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