Ahem, no sorry Allan, I don't think that Neil wants a slave girl. He is a perfect gentleman. A bit too depressed, but otherwise the normal degree of arrogance.
Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb : > Back off Gabby Neil, she is really trying to understand. > It figures you like single column accounting.. It is easier to > manipulate and rig verses double column where you have to account the > vikings and going of funds.. > > I know you want a slave girl.. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> > To: [email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? > > So how complex might things be Gabby? You don't vote for the > groaf-jawbs-burn-the-planet-some-more "visionaries" - so what do you know? > > On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 2:20:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >> >> If things are that simple I really understand how and why you down on on >> people who worship the golden calf - instead of the bull. ;) >> >> Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb : >> >>> Tread softly Gabby, you can expect to be treated as you have treated >>> others.. Sorry to disappoint you Gabby the debut/crediet system created in >>> the someone used in the machine accounting you see today.. They just have >>> given names to the slight of hand tricks.. >>> >>> Banking is a unique finacial environment. Normally it would be a >>> boring uninteresting subject the then a name as a joke created interest. >>> Found out that creating a legal bank is much easier than I ever >>> imagined.. Just lacked the major bank connection need to do interbank >>> banking.. Didn't realize at the time I had those needed connections >>> also.. >>> Talking with a childhood friend Vern asked me why I didn't sign the >>> required paperwork.. I am still surprised by friends I made while being a >>> yatch bum.. (",) >>> >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: gabbydott <[email protected]> >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 2:43 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>> >>> Barky-barky Allan tells our red-penned Neil that he has it right. Very >>> cute. Gain robber control to change the system from within, wow, what a >>> fresh idea! Still a way to go to machine transaction time, though. Sigh. >>> >>> Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb : >>> >>>> You have that right. Banksters is slight of hand. Or is that slight of >>>> money? >>>> The actual banking system of debit and credit was developed by a monk >>>> in the middle ages. That was how accounting was taught years ago.. Today >>>> accounting is taught as three card montie.. Shuffle cloud the issue >>>> claiming clarity of sight. >>>> Banksters do not want clarity as it does not serve their greed and >>>> control. >>>> If you want to change the system change it from within.. You have to >>>> create the illusion for banksters that they are in control.. Bitcoin is >>>> an outside force giving banksters an point of attack.. >>>> If you want change the current banking system make the banksters >>>> attack themselves by creating a banking system within their system.. Why >>>> not control how you you use the system. You have to remember that the >>>> rudder controls and turns the ship. >>>> My question is why not be the rubber in yourbanking affairs. >>>> >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>> >>>> I think the actual expertise is phony. They have built up a big >>>> control fraud around very little. In the past we have been dominated by >>>> such as water-engineers with basic skills hidden by their 'access' to the >>>> water-gods. The financiers are similar. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 10:17:59 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Are these alternative currency really a challenge to the >>>>> banksters? If you want to really challenge banksters expertise use it to >>>>> your advantage by using the onion effect a system within a system.. The >>>>> onion has been used for generations under various names.. >>>>> If you are forced to swim across a flooded you do not survive by >>>>> swimming against the current. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:07 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>> >>>>> There have been many other alternative currencies, including drugs and >>>>> spices. The interesting thing is not Bitcoin itself (or the 80+ other >>>>> versions), but the challenge to claims of bank expertise and various >>>>> 'rents' in the economic system, oincluding those imposed by >>>>> 'professionals' >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:54:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> well can not imagine why it is interesting. >>>>>> If it is security you want stay off the net and even then they still >>>>>> have you.. To much info readily available. But you know that.. >>>>>> Onions have great security .. So what makes it interesting? >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:23 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>>> >>>>>> In that sense Allan, iy was just another bubble. This is not why it >>>>>> is interesting. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:15:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We'll, if that is how you want to pay your bills.. Have fun, l >>>>>>> recall when Andrew became excited about bitcoin the said value was in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> 1000 € = 1 bitcoin.. Just looked up the value it is 211 € .. Let me >>>>>>> help >>>>>>> you pay your bills you give me 1000 euro and in a few days I will give >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> 211 € back.. Good deal right? When I first looked into bitcoin (when >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> first came out) you could buy 2 for less than a Euro.. >>>>>>> My question really is how many euro did Andrew lose.. They would >>>>>>> not let me create a small wallet so I cold sell my jewelry.. >>>>>>> Now I was not allowed to create a wallet, found out later it was >>>>>>> due to questionable activities. But if you like looking at short >>>>>>> term.. >>>>>>> Have fun. And I am called a zombie.. lol >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: minds-eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:51 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's make this a third person case and say people need money. They >>>>>>> need money pay their bills. Please don't be so hard on them, dear Allan. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-02-17 21:15 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you worship money.... >>>>>>>> My memory is saying it is not worth anything for data storage and >>>>>>>> reterival and that is what computers are about.. In 1977 I walked away >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> programming.. >>>>>>>> Can be fun if and that is a big if.. >>>>>>>> Do you like long hours and extreme focus and the edge of sanity. >>>>>>>> The research projects were interesting.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 8:31 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It isn't that bleak Allan. Andrew has the basic description >>>>>>>> right. People generally refuse to see the bigger picture these >>>>>>>> developments are exposing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 6:34:02 PM UTC, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dream on Andrew, sorry and I already your are going to say I am >>>>>>>> full of shit,, by it is okay.. all own source is good for is ease in >>>>>>>> hacking.. I will watch people do the delusional twisters. >>>>>>>> A few people will always maintain machine language you are lucky >>>>>>>> because they are not interested in delusional dead.. beware through he >>>>>>>> people who will employ them are rue control freaks. The safety net is >>>>>>>> within numbers and time, the segmentation ability is where the secret >>>>>>>> lies.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 5:57 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the >>>>>>>> internet than I can give you. But as I like to simplify complicated >>>>>>>> things, >>>>>>>> I will give it a try. The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept by >>>>>>>> volunteers. The volunteers document transactions made by users.The >>>>>>>> ledger >>>>>>>> is verifyied by consensus of the volunteers. The the only way that >>>>>>>> ledger >>>>>>>> can be falsified is that 51% of the volunteers that maintain the >>>>>>>> ledger all >>>>>>>> have to agree to a falsified version of the ledger. The users >>>>>>>> broadcast a >>>>>>>> transaction they want to include in that ledger, and the volunteers >>>>>>>> transcribe that transactions in that ledger. There is no centralized >>>>>>>> point >>>>>>>> of control, as the ledger is distributed by the volunteers. The >>>>>>>> transactions can be Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently can not >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> falsified due to the encryption it uses, or any other transactions, >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> ownership of assets, or contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as a >>>>>>>> "trust-less system" in that you do not have to trust a centralized >>>>>>>> authority to maintain that ledger, as there are none. The protocol >>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>> used for the blockchain is an open source program that prevents anyone >>>>>>>> compromising that protocol without everyone else knowing about any >>>>>>>> changes >>>>>>>> that might compromise it. The entire system is of course very >>>>>>>> complicated. >>>>>>>> The main aspects that allow such a system to be implemented is the >>>>>>>> mathematics of cryptology, the internet, the distributed network of >>>>>>>> computers, and geeks that maintain that network not because they want >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> hack or control it, but because they want to keep it honest. I hope >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> helps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain >>>>>>>> technology, Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay? >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have been thinking about your post Niel. >>>>>>>> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very >>>>>>>> empowering. especially to the owners of centralized computers that >>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>> porn, entertainment, commerce and information. It is however the >>>>>>>> decentralized form of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling >>>>>>>> people globally to freely communicate and share information without the >>>>>>>> control of centralized powers. The blockchain technology is the most >>>>>>>> empowering. It frees people to make money transactions without banks, >>>>>>>> legal >>>>>>>> transactions without lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice their >>>>>>>> opinions without politicians. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire >>>>>>>> academic papers and books through still largely restricted access. >>>>>>>> It's >>>>>>>> much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> shows up is dross. I've played with the rest to find out what is >>>>>>>> there. >>>>>>>> Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a >>>>>>>> university >>>>>>>> library. Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net >>>>>>>> generally - in terms of how much of general consciousness this >>>>>>>> represents. >>>>>>>> Rational discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net. Techies >>>>>>>> spend a >>>>>>>> lot of time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> sweep. There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> 'expert knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build >>>>>>>> cars >>>>>>>> but able to drive them with a bit of training. My own bad is 'big >>>>>>>> data' as >>>>>>>> a new language that would bring a different speed to human discourse >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> potentially control of the means of production. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything >>>>>>>> except trash. I can join a site where a couple of young women will >>>>>>>> send me >>>>>>>> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though >>>>>>>> don't. There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping >>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all. My >>>>>>>> insurance >>>>>>>> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via >>>>>>>> one of >>>>>>>> the broker sites on the day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do electronic teaching. So I'm no longer racked by whatever >>>>>>>> diseases undergraduate classes try to kill me with. And I never see a >>>>>>>> boss >>>>>>>> or have to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> the students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes. The work is >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> or less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous >>>>>>>> short >>>>>>>> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would >>>>>>>> really prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider >>>>>>>> material without packaging. The current business model encourages >>>>>>>> loads of >>>>>>>> channels with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with >>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> 1% I'd want to see and don't want to pay to support. Sports channels >>>>>>>> require me to pay for soccer I don't want. Tony has done more for me >>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>> few minutes (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever >>>>>>>> could. We lack a business model of actual choice. With one, >>>>>>>> insanestream >>>>>>>> news and other entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC, >>>>>>>> Discovery and so on, would be things of my past. In chronic business >>>>>>>> terms, I wonder how they do market segmentation at all. I am sick of >>>>>>>> Blue >>>>>>>> Peter (kids programme here) presentation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group >>>>>>>> wanting something very different and something large enough not to be a >>>>>>>> part of when time presses and so on. Uber, properly supervised against >>>>>>>> racist drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can >>>>>>>> explain why - though we have not yet worked out that technology could >>>>>>>> massively reduce what we currently call work and planet burning. In >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> meantime we can't even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and >>>>>>>> everyone really) worrying on the curtain shades. Give us a twirl then >>>>>>>> girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe used to encourage. I >>>>>>>> can see >>>>>>>> something of a business model, starting with Chris' 'attractors'. The >>>>>>>> eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience - remembering >>>>>>>> very few >>>>>>>> people do education without any kind of accreditation pay-off and the >>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>> to pay for organisation does not move easily from free. 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