What has struck me for a long time is that education barely equips us for meaningful dialogue on what is happening to us. This rather implies the need to express our state of ignorance. We get some idea on the general state of ignorance through regular tales that Americans don't know where Iraq is - though most of us are as bad. We don't know how money is created or how wealth as currently owned is a millstone round our necks, or to work out ideological components of our thinking. We drift easily to little interest in much beyond keeping the wolf from our own door. Debate starts in such a manner that little is actually evaluated in it and huge swathes in it say nothing meaningful in the text delivered. The internet as we have it suggests no one is really interested. Is the current internet what we were educated for? Is it a mirror of consciousness?
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 4:03:05 PM UTC, archytas wrote: > > Neither do I Gabby. There is no real distraction in the warnings, I guess > about the dangers of a transparent society, especially as one of the models > is a prison (the panoptican). We have politicians and economic pundits > talking about austerity with no mention of people going hungry. Language > bewitches and we talk more language. We look to inner self-development, > yet what we can see externally is hardly any mirror of this. The big data > people feel they are on to some way to demonstrate human nature in the > external - something of the old behaviourist line - but with more 'black > box consciousness' content. > > Technology could be doing a great deal for us, reducing work and > introducing very different motivations than fear of and actual poverty. It > isn't. > > On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 3:30:28 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >> >> I know of the importance of checking for distractors. >> To come back to your question, in your terms I don't know enough. >> Am 18.02.2015 15:33 schrieb "archytas" <[email protected]>: >> >>> So how complex might things be Gabby? You don't vote for the >>> groaf-jawbs-burn-the-planet-some-more "visionaries" - so what do you know? >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 2:20:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>> >>>> If things are that simple I really understand how and why you down on >>>> on people who worship the golden calf - instead of the bull. ;) >>>> >>>> Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb : >>>> >>>>> Tread softly Gabby, you can expect to be treated as you have treated >>>>> others.. Sorry to disappoint you Gabby the debut/crediet system created >>>>> in >>>>> the someone used in the machine accounting you see today.. They just have >>>>> given names to the slight of hand tricks.. >>>>> >>>>> Banking is a unique finacial environment. Normally it would be a >>>>> boring uninteresting subject the then a name as a joke created interest. >>>>> >>>>> Found out that creating a legal bank is much easier than I ever >>>>> imagined.. Just lacked the major bank connection need to do interbank >>>>> banking.. Didn't realize at the time I had those needed connections >>>>> also.. >>>>> Talking with a childhood friend Vern asked me why I didn't sign the >>>>> required paperwork.. I am still surprised by friends I made while being >>>>> a >>>>> yatch bum.. (",) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 2:43 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>> >>>>> Barky-barky Allan tells our red-penned Neil that he has it right. Very >>>>> cute. Gain robber control to change the system from within, wow, what a >>>>> fresh idea! Still a way to go to machine transaction time, though. Sigh. >>>>> >>>>> Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb : >>>>> >>>>>> You have that right. Banksters is slight of hand. Or is that slight >>>>>> of money? >>>>>> The actual banking system of debit and credit was developed by a >>>>>> monk in the middle ages. That was how accounting was taught years ago.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Today accounting is taught as three card montie.. Shuffle cloud the >>>>>> issue >>>>>> claiming clarity of sight. >>>>>> Banksters do not want clarity as it does not serve their greed and >>>>>> control. >>>>>> If you want to change the system change it from within.. You have >>>>>> to create the illusion for banksters that they are in control.. >>>>>> Bitcoin >>>>>> is an outside force giving banksters an point of attack.. >>>>>> If you want change the current banking system make the banksters >>>>>> attack themselves by creating a banking system within their system.. >>>>>> Why >>>>>> not control how you you use the system. You have to remember that the >>>>>> rudder controls and turns the ship. >>>>>> My question is why not be the rubber in yourbanking affairs. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:49 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the actual expertise is phony. They have built up a big >>>>>> control fraud around very little. In the past we have been dominated by >>>>>> such as water-engineers with basic skills hidden by their 'access' to >>>>>> the >>>>>> water-gods. The financiers are similar. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 10:17:59 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are these alternative currency really a challenge to the >>>>>>> banksters? If you want to really challenge banksters expertise use it >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> your advantage by using the onion effect a system within a system.. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> onion has been used for generations under various names.. >>>>>>> If you are forced to swim across a flooded you do not survive by >>>>>>> swimming against the current. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:07 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There have been many other alternative currencies, including drugs >>>>>>> and spices. The interesting thing is not Bitcoin itself (or the 80+ >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> versions), but the challenge to claims of bank expertise and various >>>>>>> 'rents' in the economic system, oincluding those imposed by >>>>>>> 'professionals' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:54:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> well can not imagine why it is interesting. >>>>>>>> If it is security you want stay off the net and even then they >>>>>>>> still have you.. To much info readily available. But you know that.. >>>>>>>> Onions have great security .. So what makes it interesting? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:23 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In that sense Allan, iy was just another bubble. This is not why >>>>>>>> it is interesting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:15:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We'll, if that is how you want to pay your bills.. Have fun, l >>>>>>>>> recall when Andrew became excited about bitcoin the said value was in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> 1000 € = 1 bitcoin.. Just looked up the value it is 211 € .. Let me >>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>> you pay your bills you give me 1000 euro and in a few days I will >>>>>>>>> give you >>>>>>>>> 211 € back.. Good deal right? When I first looked into bitcoin >>>>>>>>> (when it >>>>>>>>> first came out) you could buy 2 for less than a Euro.. >>>>>>>>> My question really is how many euro did Andrew lose.. They would >>>>>>>>> not let me create a small wallet so I cold sell my jewelry.. >>>>>>>>> Now I was not allowed to create a wallet, found out later it was >>>>>>>>> due to questionable activities. But if you like looking at short >>>>>>>>> term.. >>>>>>>>> Have fun. And I am called a zombie.. lol >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: minds-eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:51 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let's make this a third person case and say people need money. >>>>>>>>> They need money pay their bills. Please don't be so hard on them, >>>>>>>>> dear >>>>>>>>> Allan. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015-02-17 21:15 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you worship money.... >>>>>>>>>> My memory is saying it is not worth anything for data storage and >>>>>>>>>> reterival and that is what computers are about.. In 1977 I walked >>>>>>>>>> away from >>>>>>>>>> programming.. >>>>>>>>>> Can be fun if and that is a big if.. >>>>>>>>>> Do you like long hours and extreme focus and the edge of >>>>>>>>>> sanity. The research projects were interesting.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 8:31 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It isn't that bleak Allan. Andrew has the basic description >>>>>>>>>> right. People generally refuse to see the bigger picture these >>>>>>>>>> developments are exposing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 6:34:02 PM UTC, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dream on Andrew, sorry and I already your are going to say I am >>>>>>>>>> full of shit,, by it is okay.. all own source is good for is ease >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> hacking.. I will watch people do the delusional twisters. >>>>>>>>>> A few people will always maintain machine language you are lucky >>>>>>>>>> because they are not interested in delusional dead.. beware through >>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>> people who will employ them are rue control freaks. The safety net >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> within numbers and time, the segmentation ability is where the >>>>>>>>>> secret lies.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 5:57 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the >>>>>>>>>> internet than I can give you. But as I like to simplify complicated >>>>>>>>>> things, >>>>>>>>>> I will give it a try. The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept >>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>> volunteers. The volunteers document transactions made by users.The >>>>>>>>>> ledger >>>>>>>>>> is verifyied by consensus of the volunteers. The the only way that >>>>>>>>>> ledger >>>>>>>>>> can be falsified is that 51% of the volunteers that maintain the >>>>>>>>>> ledger all >>>>>>>>>> have to agree to a falsified version of the ledger. The users >>>>>>>>>> broadcast a >>>>>>>>>> transaction they want to include in that ledger, and the volunteers >>>>>>>>>> transcribe that transactions in that ledger. There is no >>>>>>>>>> centralized point >>>>>>>>>> of control, as the ledger is distributed by the volunteers. The >>>>>>>>>> transactions can be Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently can >>>>>>>>>> not be >>>>>>>>>> falsified due to the encryption it uses, or any other transactions, >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> ownership of assets, or contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> "trust-less system" in that you do not have to trust a centralized >>>>>>>>>> authority to maintain that ledger, as there are none. The protocol >>>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>>> used for the blockchain is an open source program that prevents >>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>> compromising that protocol without everyone else knowing about any >>>>>>>>>> changes >>>>>>>>>> that might compromise it. The entire system is of course very >>>>>>>>>> complicated. >>>>>>>>>> The main aspects that allow such a system to be implemented is the >>>>>>>>>> mathematics of cryptology, the internet, the distributed network of >>>>>>>>>> computers, and geeks that maintain that network not because they >>>>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>>> hack or control it, but because they want to keep it honest. I hope >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> helps. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain >>>>>>>>>> technology, Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay? >>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have been thinking about your post Niel. >>>>>>>>>> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very >>>>>>>>>> empowering. especially to the owners of centralized computers that >>>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>>> porn, entertainment, commerce and information. It is however the >>>>>>>>>> decentralized form of the internet that is truly empowering, >>>>>>>>>> enabling >>>>>>>>>> people globally to freely communicate and share information without >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> control of centralized powers. The blockchain technology is the >>>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>>> empowering. It frees people to make money transactions without >>>>>>>>>> banks, legal >>>>>>>>>> transactions without lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> opinions without politicians. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty >>>>>>>>>> dire academic papers and books through still largely restricted >>>>>>>>>> access. >>>>>>>>>> It's much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as >>>>>>>>>> 99% of >>>>>>>>>> what shows up is dross. I've played with the rest to find out what >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> there. Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> university library. Now, much google search just turns up dross I >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> want. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net >>>>>>>>>> generally - in terms of how much of general consciousness this >>>>>>>>>> represents. >>>>>>>>>> Rational discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net. Techies >>>>>>>>>> spend a >>>>>>>>>> lot of time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might >>>>>>>>>> automate this >>>>>>>>>> sweep. There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways >>>>>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>>>> 'expert knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build >>>>>>>>>> cars >>>>>>>>>> but able to drive them with a bit of training. My own bad is 'big >>>>>>>>>> data' as >>>>>>>>>> a new language that would bring a different speed to human discourse >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> potentially control of the means of production. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for >>>>>>>>>> anything except trash. I can join a site where a couple of young >>>>>>>>>> women >>>>>>>>>> will send me off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial >>>>>>>>>> elegance, though don't. There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> don't have time. I bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a >>>>>>>>>> bank >>>>>>>>>> clerk. Shopping can be done in the same manner as shops don't >>>>>>>>>> interest me >>>>>>>>>> at all. My insurance renewals are always 30% higher than I can get >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> same cover for via one of the broker sites on the day. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I do electronic teaching. So I'm no longer racked by whatever >>>>>>>>>> diseases undergraduate classes try to kill me with. And I never see >>>>>>>>>> a boss >>>>>>>>>> or have to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes >>>>>>>>>> flooded as >>>>>>>>>> the students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes. The work >>>>>>>>>> is more >>>>>>>>>> or less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous >>>>>>>>>> short >>>>>>>>>> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other >>>>>>>>>> classes, at >>>>>>>>>> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to >>>>>>>>>> help. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would >>>>>>>>>> really prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much >>>>>>>>>> wider >>>>>>>>>> material without packaging. The current business model encourages >>>>>>>>>> loads of >>>>>>>>>> channels with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix >>>>>>>>>> with only >>>>>>>>>> 1% I'd want to see and don't want to pay to support. Sports >>>>>>>>>> channels >>>>>>>>>> require me to pay for soccer I don't want. Tony has done more for >>>>>>>>>> me in a >>>>>>>>>> few minutes (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores >>>>>>>>>> ever >>>>>>>>>> could. We lack a business model of actual choice. With one, >>>>>>>>>> insanestream >>>>>>>>>> news and other entertainment, the crap science pornography of the >>>>>>>>>> BBC, >>>>>>>>>> Discovery and so on, would be things of my past. In chronic >>>>>>>>>> business >>>>>>>>>> terms, I wonder how they do market segmentation at all. I am sick >>>>>>>>>> of Blue >>>>>>>>>> Peter (kids programme here) presentation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group >>>>>>>>>> wanting something very different and something large enough not to >>>>>>>>>> be a >>>>>>>>>> part of when time presses and so on. Uber, properly supervised >>>>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>>>> racist drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can >>>>>>>>>> explain why - though we have not yet worked out that technology >>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>> massively reduce what we currently call work and planet burning. In >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> meantime we can't even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and >>>>>>>>>> everyone really) worrying on the curtain shades. Give us a twirl >>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>> girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe used to encourage. I >>>>>>>>>> can see >>>>>>>>>> something of a business model, starting with Chris' 'attractors'. >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience - remembering >>>>>>>>>> very few >>>>>>>>>> people do education without any kind of accreditation pay-off and >>>>>>>>>> the means >>>>>>>>>> to pay for organisation does not move easily from free. 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