I know of the importance of checking for distractors.
To come back to your question, in your terms I don't know enough.
Am 18.02.2015 15:33 schrieb "archytas" <[email protected]>:
> So how complex might things be Gabby? You don't vote for the
> groaf-jawbs-burn-the-planet-some-more "visionaries" - so what do you know?
>
> On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 2:20:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote:
>>
>> If things are that simple I really understand how and why you down on on
>> people who worship the golden calf - instead of the bull. ;)
>>
>> Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb :
>>
>>> Tread softly Gabby, you can expect to be treated as you have treated
>>> others.. Sorry to disappoint you Gabby the debut/crediet system created in
>>> the someone used in the machine accounting you see today.. They just have
>>> given names to the slight of hand tricks..
>>>
>>> Banking is a unique finacial environment. Normally it would be a
>>> boring uninteresting subject the then a name as a joke created interest.
>>> Found out that creating a legal bank is much easier than I ever
>>> imagined.. Just lacked the major bank connection need to do interbank
>>> banking.. Didn't realize at the time I had those needed connections
>>> also..
>>> Talking with a childhood friend Vern asked me why I didn't sign the
>>> required paperwork.. I am still surprised by friends I made while being a
>>> yatch bum.. (",)
>>>
>>>
>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gabbydott <[email protected]>
>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 2:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>
>>> Barky-barky Allan tells our red-penned Neil that he has it right. Very
>>> cute. Gain robber control to change the system from within, wow, what a
>>> fresh idea! Still a way to go to machine transaction time, though. Sigh.
>>>
>>> Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb :
>>>
>>>> You have that right. Banksters is slight of hand. Or is that slight of
>>>> money?
>>>> The actual banking system of debit and credit was developed by a monk
>>>> in the middle ages. That was how accounting was taught years ago.. Today
>>>> accounting is taught as three card montie.. Shuffle cloud the issue
>>>> claiming clarity of sight.
>>>> Banksters do not want clarity as it does not serve their greed and
>>>> control.
>>>> If you want to change the system change it from within.. You have to
>>>> create the illusion for banksters that they are in control.. Bitcoin is
>>>> an outside force giving banksters an point of attack..
>>>> If you want change the current banking system make the banksters
>>>> attack themselves by creating a banking system within their system.. Why
>>>> not control how you you use the system. You have to remember that the
>>>> rudder controls and turns the ship.
>>>> My question is why not be the rubber in yourbanking affairs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>
>>>> I think the actual expertise is phony. They have built up a big
>>>> control fraud around very little. In the past we have been dominated by
>>>> such as water-engineers with basic skills hidden by their 'access' to the
>>>> water-gods. The financiers are similar.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 10:17:59 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Are these alternative currency really a challenge to the
>>>>> banksters? If you want to really challenge banksters expertise use it to
>>>>> your advantage by using the onion effect a system within a system.. The
>>>>> onion has been used for generations under various names..
>>>>> If you are forced to swim across a flooded you do not survive by
>>>>> swimming against the current.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>
>>>>> There have been many other alternative currencies, including drugs and
>>>>> spices. The interesting thing is not Bitcoin itself (or the 80+ other
>>>>> versions), but the challenge to claims of bank expertise and various
>>>>> 'rents' in the economic system, oincluding those imposed by
>>>>> 'professionals'
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:54:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well can not imagine why it is interesting.
>>>>>> If it is security you want stay off the net and even then they still
>>>>>> have you.. To much info readily available. But you know that..
>>>>>> Onions have great security .. So what makes it interesting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:23 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In that sense Allan, iy was just another bubble. This is not why it
>>>>>> is interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:15:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We'll, if that is how you want to pay your bills.. Have fun, l
>>>>>>> recall when Andrew became excited about bitcoin the said value was in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> 1000 € = 1 bitcoin.. Just looked up the value it is 211 € .. Let me
>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>> you pay your bills you give me 1000 euro and in a few days I will give
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> 211 € back.. Good deal right? When I first looked into bitcoin (when
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> first came out) you could buy 2 for less than a Euro..
>>>>>>> My question really is how many euro did Andrew lose.. They would
>>>>>>> not let me create a small wallet so I cold sell my jewelry..
>>>>>>> Now I was not allowed to create a wallet, found out later it was
>>>>>>> due to questionable activities. But if you like looking at short
>>>>>>> term..
>>>>>>> Have fun. And I am called a zombie.. lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: gabbydott <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: minds-eye <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:51 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's make this a third person case and say people need money. They
>>>>>>> need money pay their bills. Please don't be so hard on them, dear Allan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2015-02-17 21:15 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you worship money....
>>>>>>>> My memory is saying it is not worth anything for data storage and
>>>>>>>> reterival and that is what computers are about.. In 1977 I walked away
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> programming..
>>>>>>>> Can be fun if and that is a big if..
>>>>>>>> Do you like long hours and extreme focus and the edge of sanity.
>>>>>>>> The research projects were interesting..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 8:31 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It isn't that bleak Allan. Andrew has the basic description
>>>>>>>> right. People generally refuse to see the bigger picture these
>>>>>>>> developments are exposing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 6:34:02 PM UTC, Allan Heretic
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dream on Andrew, sorry and I already your are going to say I am
>>>>>>>> full of shit,, by it is okay.. all own source is good for is ease in
>>>>>>>> hacking.. I will watch people do the delusional twisters.
>>>>>>>> A few people will always maintain machine language you are lucky
>>>>>>>> because they are not interested in delusional dead.. beware through he
>>>>>>>> people who will employ them are rue control freaks. The safety net is
>>>>>>>> within numbers and time, the segmentation ability is where the secret
>>>>>>>> lies..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 5:57 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the
>>>>>>>> internet than I can give you. But as I like to simplify complicated
>>>>>>>> things,
>>>>>>>> I will give it a try. The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept by
>>>>>>>> volunteers. The volunteers document transactions made by users.The
>>>>>>>> ledger
>>>>>>>> is verifyied by consensus of the volunteers. The the only way that
>>>>>>>> ledger
>>>>>>>> can be falsified is that 51% of the volunteers that maintain the
>>>>>>>> ledger all
>>>>>>>> have to agree to a falsified version of the ledger. The users
>>>>>>>> broadcast a
>>>>>>>> transaction they want to include in that ledger, and the volunteers
>>>>>>>> transcribe that transactions in that ledger. There is no centralized
>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>> of control, as the ledger is distributed by the volunteers. The
>>>>>>>> transactions can be Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently can not
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> falsified due to the encryption it uses, or any other transactions,
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> ownership of assets, or contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as a
>>>>>>>> "trust-less system" in that you do not have to trust a centralized
>>>>>>>> authority to maintain that ledger, as there are none. The protocol
>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>> used for the blockchain is an open source program that prevents anyone
>>>>>>>> compromising that protocol without everyone else knowing about any
>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>> that might compromise it. The entire system is of course very
>>>>>>>> complicated.
>>>>>>>> The main aspects that allow such a system to be implemented is the
>>>>>>>> mathematics of cryptology, the internet, the distributed network of
>>>>>>>> computers, and geeks that maintain that network not because they want
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> hack or control it, but because they want to keep it honest. I hope
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> helps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain
>>>>>>>> technology, Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay?
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been thinking about your post Niel.
>>>>>>>> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very
>>>>>>>> empowering. especially to the owners of centralized computers that
>>>>>>>> offer
>>>>>>>> porn, entertainment, commerce and information. It is however the
>>>>>>>> decentralized form of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling
>>>>>>>> people globally to freely communicate and share information without the
>>>>>>>> control of centralized powers. The blockchain technology is the most
>>>>>>>> empowering. It frees people to make money transactions without banks,
>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>> transactions without lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice their
>>>>>>>> opinions without politicians.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire
>>>>>>>> academic papers and books through still largely restricted access.
>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>> much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> shows up is dross. I've played with the rest to find out what is
>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>> Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a
>>>>>>>> university
>>>>>>>> library. Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net
>>>>>>>> generally - in terms of how much of general consciousness this
>>>>>>>> represents.
>>>>>>>> Rational discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net. Techies
>>>>>>>> spend a
>>>>>>>> lot of time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> sweep. There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> 'expert knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build
>>>>>>>> cars
>>>>>>>> but able to drive them with a bit of training. My own bad is 'big
>>>>>>>> data' as
>>>>>>>> a new language that would bring a different speed to human discourse
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> potentially control of the means of production.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything
>>>>>>>> except trash. I can join a site where a couple of young women will
>>>>>>>> send me
>>>>>>>> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though
>>>>>>>> don't. There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping
>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all. My
>>>>>>>> insurance
>>>>>>>> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via
>>>>>>>> one of
>>>>>>>> the broker sites on the day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do electronic teaching. So I'm no longer racked by whatever
>>>>>>>> diseases undergraduate classes try to kill me with. And I never see a
>>>>>>>> boss
>>>>>>>> or have to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> the students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes. The work is
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> or less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous
>>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes,
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would
>>>>>>>> really prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider
>>>>>>>> material without packaging. The current business model encourages
>>>>>>>> loads of
>>>>>>>> channels with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> 1% I'd want to see and don't want to pay to support. Sports channels
>>>>>>>> require me to pay for soccer I don't want. Tony has done more for me
>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>> few minutes (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever
>>>>>>>> could. We lack a business model of actual choice. With one,
>>>>>>>> insanestream
>>>>>>>> news and other entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC,
>>>>>>>> Discovery and so on, would be things of my past. In chronic business
>>>>>>>> terms, I wonder how they do market segmentation at all. I am sick of
>>>>>>>> Blue
>>>>>>>> Peter (kids programme here) presentation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group
>>>>>>>> wanting something very different and something large enough not to be a
>>>>>>>> part of when time presses and so on. Uber, properly supervised against
>>>>>>>> racist drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can
>>>>>>>> explain why - though we have not yet worked out that technology could
>>>>>>>> massively reduce what we currently call work and planet burning. In
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> meantime we can't even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and
>>>>>>>> everyone really) worrying on the curtain shades. Give us a twirl then
>>>>>>>> girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe used to encourage. I
>>>>>>>> can see
>>>>>>>> something of a business model, starting with Chris' 'attractors'. The
>>>>>>>> eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience - remembering
>>>>>>>> very few
>>>>>>>> people do education without any kind of accreditation pay-off and the
>>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>>> to pay for organisation does not move easily from free. Current
>>>>>>>> strategies
>>>>>>>> are advertising and the begging bowl.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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