If things are that simple I really understand how and why you down on on
people who worship the golden calf - instead of the bull. ;)
Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb :
> Tread softly Gabby, you can expect to be treated as you have treated
> others.. Sorry to disappoint you Gabby the debut/crediet system created in
> the someone used in the machine accounting you see today.. They just have
> given names to the slight of hand tricks..
>
> Banking is a unique finacial environment. Normally it would be a boring
> uninteresting subject the then a name as a joke created interest. Found
> out that creating a legal bank is much easier than I ever imagined..
> Just lacked the major bank connection need to do interbank banking..
> Didn't realize at the time I had those needed connections also..
> Talking with a childhood friend Vern asked me why I didn't sign the
> required paperwork.. I am still surprised by friends I made while being a
> yatch bum.. (",)
>
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gabbydott <[email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
> To: "[email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>" <
> [email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
> Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>
> Barky-barky Allan tells our red-penned Neil that he has it right. Very
> cute. Gain robber control to change the system from within, wow, what a
> fresh idea! Still a way to go to machine transaction time, though. Sigh.
>
> Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb :
>
>> You have that right. Banksters is slight of hand. Or is that slight of
>> money?
>> The actual banking system of debit and credit was developed by a monk
>> in the middle ages. That was how accounting was taught years ago.. Today
>> accounting is taught as three card montie.. Shuffle cloud the issue
>> claiming clarity of sight.
>> Banksters do not want clarity as it does not serve their greed and
>> control.
>> If you want to change the system change it from within.. You have to
>> create the illusion for banksters that they are in control.. Bitcoin is
>> an outside force giving banksters an point of attack..
>> If you want change the current banking system make the banksters attack
>> themselves by creating a banking system within their system.. Why not
>> control how you you use the system. You have to remember that the rudder
>> controls and turns the ship.
>> My question is why not be the rubber in yourbanking affairs.
>>
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>
>> I think the actual expertise is phony. They have built up a big control
>> fraud around very little. In the past we have been dominated by such as
>> water-engineers with basic skills hidden by their 'access' to the
>> water-gods. The financiers are similar.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 10:17:59 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>
>>> Are these alternative currency really a challenge to the banksters?
>>> If you want to really challenge banksters expertise use it to your
>>> advantage by using the onion effect a system within a system.. The onion
>>> has been used for generations under various names..
>>> If you are forced to swim across a flooded you do not survive by
>>> swimming against the current.
>>>
>>>
>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>
>>> There have been many other alternative currencies, including drugs and
>>> spices. The interesting thing is not Bitcoin itself (or the 80+ other
>>> versions), but the challenge to claims of bank expertise and various
>>> 'rents' in the economic system, oincluding those imposed by 'professionals'
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:54:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> well can not imagine why it is interesting.
>>>> If it is security you want stay off the net and even then they still
>>>> have you.. To much info readily available. But you know that..
>>>> Onions have great security .. So what makes it interesting?
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>
>>>> In that sense Allan, iy was just another bubble. This is not why it is
>>>> interesting.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:15:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll, if that is how you want to pay your bills.. Have fun, l
>>>>> recall when Andrew became excited about bitcoin the said value was in the
>>>>> 1000 € = 1 bitcoin.. Just looked up the value it is 211 € .. Let me help
>>>>> you pay your bills you give me 1000 euro and in a few days I will give you
>>>>> 211 € back.. Good deal right? When I first looked into bitcoin (when it
>>>>> first came out) you could buy 2 for less than a Euro..
>>>>> My question really is how many euro did Andrew lose.. They would not
>>>>> let me create a small wallet so I cold sell my jewelry..
>>>>> Now I was not allowed to create a wallet, found out later it was due
>>>>> to questionable activities. But if you like looking at short term..
>>>>> Have fun. And I am called a zombie.. lol
>>>>>
>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: gabbydott <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: minds-eye <[email protected]>
>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:51 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's make this a third person case and say people need money. They
>>>>> need money pay their bills. Please don't be so hard on them, dear Allan.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-02-17 21:15 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you worship money....
>>>>>> My memory is saying it is not worth anything for data storage and
>>>>>> reterival and that is what computers are about.. In 1977 I walked away
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> programming..
>>>>>> Can be fun if and that is a big if..
>>>>>> Do you like long hours and extreme focus and the edge of sanity.
>>>>>> The research projects were interesting..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 8:31 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It isn't that bleak Allan. Andrew has the basic description right.
>>>>>> People generally refuse to see the bigger picture these developments are
>>>>>> exposing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 6:34:02 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dream on Andrew, sorry and I already your are going to say I am full
>>>>>> of shit,, by it is okay.. all own source is good for is ease in
>>>>>> hacking..
>>>>>> I will watch people do the delusional twisters.
>>>>>> A few people will always maintain machine language you are lucky
>>>>>> because they are not interested in delusional dead.. beware through he
>>>>>> people who will employ them are rue control freaks. The safety net is
>>>>>> within numbers and time, the segmentation ability is where the secret
>>>>>> lies..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 5:57 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the internet
>>>>>> than I can give you. But as I like to simplify complicated things, I will
>>>>>> give it a try. The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept by
>>>>>> volunteers. The volunteers document transactions made by users.The ledger
>>>>>> is verifyied by consensus of the volunteers. The the only way that ledger
>>>>>> can be falsified is that 51% of the volunteers that maintain the ledger
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> have to agree to a falsified version of the ledger. The users broadcast a
>>>>>> transaction they want to include in that ledger, and the volunteers
>>>>>> transcribe that transactions in that ledger. There is no centralized
>>>>>> point
>>>>>> of control, as the ledger is distributed by the volunteers. The
>>>>>> transactions can be Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently can not be
>>>>>> falsified due to the encryption it uses, or any other transactions, like
>>>>>> ownership of assets, or contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as a
>>>>>> "trust-less system" in that you do not have to trust a centralized
>>>>>> authority to maintain that ledger, as there are none. The protocol that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> used for the blockchain is an open source program that prevents anyone
>>>>>> compromising that protocol without everyone else knowing about any
>>>>>> changes
>>>>>> that might compromise it. The entire system is of course very
>>>>>> complicated.
>>>>>> The main aspects that allow such a system to be implemented is the
>>>>>> mathematics of cryptology, the internet, the distributed network of
>>>>>> computers, and geeks that maintain that network not because they want to
>>>>>> hack or control it, but because they want to keep it honest. I hope that
>>>>>> helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain
>>>>>> technology, Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay? Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been thinking about your post Niel.
>>>>>> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very
>>>>>> empowering. especially to the owners of centralized computers that offer
>>>>>> porn, entertainment, commerce and information. It is however the
>>>>>> decentralized form of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling
>>>>>> people globally to freely communicate and share information without the
>>>>>> control of centralized powers. The blockchain technology is the most
>>>>>> empowering. It frees people to make money transactions without banks,
>>>>>> legal
>>>>>> transactions without lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice their
>>>>>> opinions without politicians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire
>>>>>> academic papers and books through still largely restricted access. It's
>>>>>> much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of what
>>>>>> shows up is dross. I've played with the rest to find out what is there.
>>>>>> Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a university
>>>>>> library. Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net
>>>>>> generally - in terms of how much of general consciousness this
>>>>>> represents.
>>>>>> Rational discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net. Techies spend
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> lot of time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> sweep. There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to do
>>>>>> 'expert knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build cars
>>>>>> but able to drive them with a bit of training. My own bad is 'big data'
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> a new language that would bring a different speed to human discourse and
>>>>>> potentially control of the means of production.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything
>>>>>> except trash. I can join a site where a couple of young women will send
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though
>>>>>> don't. There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time. I
>>>>>> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all. My insurance
>>>>>> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via one
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the broker sites on the day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do electronic teaching. So I'm no longer racked by whatever
>>>>>> diseases undergraduate classes try to kill me with. And I never see a
>>>>>> boss
>>>>>> or have to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded as
>>>>>> the students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes. The work is
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> or less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous short
>>>>>> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, at
>>>>>> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would
>>>>>> really prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider
>>>>>> material without packaging. The current business model encourages loads
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> channels with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> 1% I'd want to see and don't want to pay to support. Sports channels
>>>>>> require me to pay for soccer I don't want. Tony has done more for me in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> few minutes (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever
>>>>>> could. We lack a business model of actual choice. With one,
>>>>>> insanestream
>>>>>> news and other entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC,
>>>>>> Discovery and so on, would be things of my past. In chronic business
>>>>>> terms, I wonder how they do market segmentation at all. I am sick of
>>>>>> Blue
>>>>>> Peter (kids programme here) presentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group
>>>>>> wanting something very different and something large enough not to be a
>>>>>> part of when time presses and so on. Uber, properly supervised against
>>>>>> racist drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can
>>>>>> explain why - though we have not yet worked out that technology could
>>>>>> massively reduce what we currently call work and planet burning. In the
>>>>>> meantime we can't even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and
>>>>>> everyone really) worrying on the curtain shades. Give us a twirl then
>>>>>> girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe used to encourage. I can
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> something of a business model, starting with Chris' 'attractors'. The
>>>>>> eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience - remembering very
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> people do education without any kind of accreditation pay-off and the
>>>>>> means
>>>>>> to pay for organisation does not move easily from free. Current
>>>>>> strategies
>>>>>> are advertising and the begging bowl.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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