So how complex might things be Gabby? You don't vote for the
groaf-jawbs-burn-the-planet-some-more "visionaries" - so what do you know?
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 2:20:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote:
>
> If things are that simple I really understand how and why you down on on
> people who worship the golden calf - instead of the bull. ;)
>
> Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb :
>
>> Tread softly Gabby, you can expect to be treated as you have treated
>> others.. Sorry to disappoint you Gabby the debut/crediet system created in
>> the someone used in the machine accounting you see today.. They just have
>> given names to the slight of hand tricks..
>>
>> Banking is a unique finacial environment. Normally it would be a boring
>> uninteresting subject the then a name as a joke created interest. Found
>> out that creating a legal bank is much easier than I ever imagined..
>> Just lacked the major bank connection need to do interbank banking..
>> Didn't realize at the time I had those needed connections also..
>> Talking with a childhood friend Vern asked me why I didn't sign the
>> required paperwork.. I am still surprised by friends I made while being a
>> yatch bum.. (",)
>>
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gabbydott <[email protected]>
>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 2:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>
>> Barky-barky Allan tells our red-penned Neil that he has it right. Very
>> cute. Gain robber control to change the system from within, wow, what a
>> fresh idea! Still a way to go to machine transaction time, though. Sigh.
>>
>> Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb :
>>
>>> You have that right. Banksters is slight of hand. Or is that slight of
>>> money?
>>> The actual banking system of debit and credit was developed by a monk
>>> in the middle ages. That was how accounting was taught years ago.. Today
>>> accounting is taught as three card montie.. Shuffle cloud the issue
>>> claiming clarity of sight.
>>> Banksters do not want clarity as it does not serve their greed and
>>> control.
>>> If you want to change the system change it from within.. You have to
>>> create the illusion for banksters that they are in control.. Bitcoin is
>>> an outside force giving banksters an point of attack..
>>> If you want change the current banking system make the banksters attack
>>> themselves by creating a banking system within their system.. Why not
>>> control how you you use the system. You have to remember that the rudder
>>> controls and turns the ship.
>>> My question is why not be the rubber in yourbanking affairs.
>>>
>>>
>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>
>>> I think the actual expertise is phony. They have built up a big control
>>> fraud around very little. In the past we have been dominated by such as
>>> water-engineers with basic skills hidden by their 'access' to the
>>> water-gods. The financiers are similar.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 10:17:59 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are these alternative currency really a challenge to the banksters?
>>>> If you want to really challenge banksters expertise use it to your
>>>> advantage by using the onion effect a system within a system.. The
>>>> onion
>>>> has been used for generations under various names..
>>>> If you are forced to swim across a flooded you do not survive by
>>>> swimming against the current.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:07 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>
>>>> There have been many other alternative currencies, including drugs and
>>>> spices. The interesting thing is not Bitcoin itself (or the 80+ other
>>>> versions), but the challenge to claims of bank expertise and various
>>>> 'rents' in the economic system, oincluding those imposed by 'professionals'
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:54:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> well can not imagine why it is interesting.
>>>>> If it is security you want stay off the net and even then they still
>>>>> have you.. To much info readily available. But you know that..
>>>>> Onions have great security .. So what makes it interesting?
>>>>>
>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>
>>>>> In that sense Allan, iy was just another bubble. This is not why it
>>>>> is interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:15:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll, if that is how you want to pay your bills.. Have fun, l
>>>>>> recall when Andrew became excited about bitcoin the said value was in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 1000 € = 1 bitcoin.. Just looked up the value it is 211 € .. Let me
>>>>>> help
>>>>>> you pay your bills you give me 1000 euro and in a few days I will give
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> 211 € back.. Good deal right? When I first looked into bitcoin (when
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> first came out) you could buy 2 for less than a Euro..
>>>>>> My question really is how many euro did Andrew lose.. They would not
>>>>>> let me create a small wallet so I cold sell my jewelry..
>>>>>> Now I was not allowed to create a wallet, found out later it was
>>>>>> due to questionable activities. But if you like looking at short
>>>>>> term..
>>>>>> Have fun. And I am called a zombie.. lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: gabbydott <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: minds-eye <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:51 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's make this a third person case and say people need money. They
>>>>>> need money pay their bills. Please don't be so hard on them, dear Allan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2015-02-17 21:15 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you worship money....
>>>>>>> My memory is saying it is not worth anything for data storage and
>>>>>>> reterival and that is what computers are about.. In 1977 I walked away
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> programming..
>>>>>>> Can be fun if and that is a big if..
>>>>>>> Do you like long hours and extreme focus and the edge of sanity.
>>>>>>> The research projects were interesting..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 8:31 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It isn't that bleak Allan. Andrew has the basic description right.
>>>>>>> People generally refuse to see the bigger picture these developments
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> exposing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 6:34:02 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dream on Andrew, sorry and I already your are going to say I am full
>>>>>>> of shit,, by it is okay.. all own source is good for is ease in
>>>>>>> hacking..
>>>>>>> I will watch people do the delusional twisters.
>>>>>>> A few people will always maintain machine language you are lucky
>>>>>>> because they are not interested in delusional dead.. beware through he
>>>>>>> people who will employ them are rue control freaks. The safety net is
>>>>>>> within numbers and time, the segmentation ability is where the secret
>>>>>>> lies..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 5:57 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the internet
>>>>>>> than I can give you. But as I like to simplify complicated things, I
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> give it a try. The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept by
>>>>>>> volunteers. The volunteers document transactions made by users.The
>>>>>>> ledger
>>>>>>> is verifyied by consensus of the volunteers. The the only way that
>>>>>>> ledger
>>>>>>> can be falsified is that 51% of the volunteers that maintain the ledger
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> have to agree to a falsified version of the ledger. The users broadcast
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> transaction they want to include in that ledger, and the volunteers
>>>>>>> transcribe that transactions in that ledger. There is no centralized
>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>> of control, as the ledger is distributed by the volunteers. The
>>>>>>> transactions can be Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently can not
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> falsified due to the encryption it uses, or any other transactions,
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> ownership of assets, or contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as a
>>>>>>> "trust-less system" in that you do not have to trust a centralized
>>>>>>> authority to maintain that ledger, as there are none. The protocol that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> used for the blockchain is an open source program that prevents anyone
>>>>>>> compromising that protocol without everyone else knowing about any
>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>> that might compromise it. The entire system is of course very
>>>>>>> complicated.
>>>>>>> The main aspects that allow such a system to be implemented is the
>>>>>>> mathematics of cryptology, the internet, the distributed network of
>>>>>>> computers, and geeks that maintain that network not because they want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> hack or control it, but because they want to keep it honest. I hope
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> helps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain
>>>>>>> technology, Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay?
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been thinking about your post Niel.
>>>>>>> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very
>>>>>>> empowering. especially to the owners of centralized computers that
>>>>>>> offer
>>>>>>> porn, entertainment, commerce and information. It is however the
>>>>>>> decentralized form of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling
>>>>>>> people globally to freely communicate and share information without the
>>>>>>> control of centralized powers. The blockchain technology is the most
>>>>>>> empowering. It frees people to make money transactions without banks,
>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>> transactions without lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice their
>>>>>>> opinions without politicians.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire
>>>>>>> academic papers and books through still largely restricted access.
>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>> much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> shows up is dross. I've played with the rest to find out what is
>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>> Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a
>>>>>>> university
>>>>>>> library. Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net
>>>>>>> generally - in terms of how much of general consciousness this
>>>>>>> represents.
>>>>>>> Rational discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net. Techies
>>>>>>> spend a
>>>>>>> lot of time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> sweep. There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> 'expert knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build
>>>>>>> cars
>>>>>>> but able to drive them with a bit of training. My own bad is 'big
>>>>>>> data' as
>>>>>>> a new language that would bring a different speed to human discourse
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> potentially control of the means of production.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything
>>>>>>> except trash. I can join a site where a couple of young women will
>>>>>>> send me
>>>>>>> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though
>>>>>>> don't. There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all. My
>>>>>>> insurance
>>>>>>> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via
>>>>>>> one of
>>>>>>> the broker sites on the day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do electronic teaching. So I'm no longer racked by whatever
>>>>>>> diseases undergraduate classes try to kill me with. And I never see a
>>>>>>> boss
>>>>>>> or have to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> the students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes. The work is
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> or less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous
>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes,
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would
>>>>>>> really prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider
>>>>>>> material without packaging. The current business model encourages
>>>>>>> loads of
>>>>>>> channels with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> 1% I'd want to see and don't want to pay to support. Sports channels
>>>>>>> require me to pay for soccer I don't want. Tony has done more for me
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>> few minutes (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever
>>>>>>> could. We lack a business model of actual choice. With one,
>>>>>>> insanestream
>>>>>>> news and other entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC,
>>>>>>> Discovery and so on, would be things of my past. In chronic business
>>>>>>> terms, I wonder how they do market segmentation at all. I am sick of
>>>>>>> Blue
>>>>>>> Peter (kids programme here) presentation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group
>>>>>>> wanting something very different and something large enough not to be a
>>>>>>> part of when time presses and so on. Uber, properly supervised against
>>>>>>> racist drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can
>>>>>>> explain why - though we have not yet worked out that technology could
>>>>>>> massively reduce what we currently call work and planet burning. In
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> meantime we can't even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and
>>>>>>> everyone really) worrying on the curtain shades. Give us a twirl then
>>>>>>> girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe used to encourage. I can
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> something of a business model, starting with Chris' 'attractors'. The
>>>>>>> eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience - remembering very
>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>> people do education without any kind of accreditation pay-off and the
>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>> to pay for organisation does not move easily from free. Current
>>>>>>> strategies
>>>>>>> are advertising and the begging bowl.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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