Barky-barky Allan tells our red-penned Neil that he has it right. Very cute. Gain robber control to change the system from within, wow, what a fresh idea! Still a way to go to machine transaction time, though. Sigh.
Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb : > You have that right. Banksters is slight of hand. Or is that slight of > money? > The actual banking system of debit and credit was developed by a monk in > the middle ages. That was how accounting was taught years ago.. Today > accounting is taught as three card montie.. Shuffle cloud the issue > claiming clarity of sight. > Banksters do not want clarity as it does not serve their greed and control. > If you want to change the system change it from within.. You have to > create the illusion for banksters that they are in control.. Bitcoin is > an outside force giving banksters an point of attack.. > If you want change the current banking system make the banksters attack > themselves by creating a banking system within their system.. Why not > control how you you use the system. You have to remember that the rudder > controls and turns the ship. > My question is why not be the rubber in yourbanking affairs. > > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> > To: [email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? > > I think the actual expertise is phony. They have built up a big control > fraud around very little. In the past we have been dominated by such as > water-engineers with basic skills hidden by their 'access' to the > water-gods. The financiers are similar. > > On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 10:17:59 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Are these alternative currency really a challenge to the banksters? >> If you want to really challenge banksters expertise use it to your >> advantage by using the onion effect a system within a system.. The onion >> has been used for generations under various names.. >> If you are forced to swim across a flooded you do not survive by >> swimming against the current. >> >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >> To: [email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:07 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >> >> There have been many other alternative currencies, including drugs and >> spices. The interesting thing is not Bitcoin itself (or the 80+ other >> versions), but the challenge to claims of bank expertise and various >> 'rents' in the economic system, oincluding those imposed by 'professionals' >> >> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:54:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> well can not imagine why it is interesting. >>> If it is security you want stay off the net and even then they still >>> have you.. To much info readily available. But you know that.. >>> Onions have great security .. So what makes it interesting? >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>> >>> In that sense Allan, iy was just another bubble. This is not why it is >>> interesting. >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:15:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> We'll, if that is how you want to pay your bills.. Have fun, l recall >>>> when Andrew became excited about bitcoin the said value was in the 1000 € = >>>> 1 bitcoin.. Just looked up the value it is 211 € .. Let me help you pay >>>> your bills you give me 1000 euro and in a few days I will give you 211 € >>>> back.. Good deal right? When I first looked into bitcoin (when it first >>>> came out) you could buy 2 for less than a Euro.. >>>> My question really is how many euro did Andrew lose.. They would not >>>> let me create a small wallet so I cold sell my jewelry.. >>>> Now I was not allowed to create a wallet, found out later it was due >>>> to questionable activities. But if you like looking at short term.. >>>> Have fun. And I am called a zombie.. lol >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: gabbydott <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>>> To: minds-eye <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:51 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>> >>>> Let's make this a third person case and say people need money. They >>>> need money pay their bills. Please don't be so hard on them, dear Allan. >>>> >>>> 2015-02-17 21:15 GMT+01:00 <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>: >>>> >>>>> If you worship money.... >>>>> My memory is saying it is not worth anything for data storage and >>>>> reterival and that is what computers are about.. In 1977 I walked away >>>>> from >>>>> programming.. >>>>> Can be fun if and that is a big if.. >>>>> Do you like long hours and extreme focus and the edge of sanity. The >>>>> research projects were interesting.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected] >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 8:31 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>> >>>>> It isn't that bleak Allan. Andrew has the basic description right. >>>>> People generally refuse to see the bigger picture these developments are >>>>> exposing. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 6:34:02 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dream on Andrew, sorry and I already your are going to say I am full >>>>> of shit,, by it is okay.. all own source is good for is ease in >>>>> hacking.. >>>>> I will watch people do the delusional twisters. >>>>> A few people will always maintain machine language you are lucky >>>>> because they are not interested in delusional dead.. beware through he >>>>> people who will employ them are rue control freaks. The safety net is >>>>> within numbers and time, the segmentation ability is where the secret >>>>> lies.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected] >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 5:57 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>>> >>>>> You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the internet >>>>> than I can give you. But as I like to simplify complicated things, I will >>>>> give it a try. The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept by >>>>> volunteers. The volunteers document transactions made by users.The ledger >>>>> is verifyied by consensus of the volunteers. The the only way that ledger >>>>> can be falsified is that 51% of the volunteers that maintain the ledger >>>>> all >>>>> have to agree to a falsified version of the ledger. The users broadcast a >>>>> transaction they want to include in that ledger, and the volunteers >>>>> transcribe that transactions in that ledger. There is no centralized >>>>> point >>>>> of control, as the ledger is distributed by the volunteers. The >>>>> transactions can be Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently can not be >>>>> falsified due to the encryption it uses, or any other transactions, like >>>>> ownership of assets, or contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as a >>>>> "trust-less system" in that you do not have to trust a centralized >>>>> authority to maintain that ledger, as there are none. The protocol that is >>>>> used for the blockchain is an open source program that prevents anyone >>>>> compromising that protocol without everyone else knowing about any changes >>>>> that might compromise it. The entire system is of course very complicated. >>>>> The main aspects that allow such a system to be implemented is the >>>>> mathematics of cryptology, the internet, the distributed network of >>>>> computers, and geeks that maintain that network not because they want to >>>>> hack or control it, but because they want to keep it honest. I hope that >>>>> helps. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain >>>>> technology, Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay? Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey : >>>>> >>>>> I have been thinking about your post Niel. >>>>> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very >>>>> empowering. especially to the owners of centralized computers that offer >>>>> porn, entertainment, commerce and information. It is however the >>>>> decentralized form of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling >>>>> people globally to freely communicate and share information without the >>>>> control of centralized powers. The blockchain technology is the most >>>>> empowering. It frees people to make money transactions without banks, >>>>> legal >>>>> transactions without lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice their >>>>> opinions without politicians. >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire >>>>> academic papers and books through still largely restricted access. It's >>>>> much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of what >>>>> shows up is dross. I've played with the rest to find out what is there. >>>>> Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a university >>>>> library. Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net >>>>> generally - in terms of how much of general consciousness this represents. >>>>> Rational discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net. Techies spend a >>>>> lot of time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate this >>>>> sweep. There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to do >>>>> 'expert knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build cars >>>>> but able to drive them with a bit of training. My own bad is 'big data' >>>>> as >>>>> a new language that would bring a different speed to human discourse and >>>>> potentially control of the means of production. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything >>>>> except trash. I can join a site where a couple of young women will send >>>>> me >>>>> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though >>>>> don't. There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time. I >>>>> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can be >>>>> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all. My insurance >>>>> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via one >>>>> of >>>>> the broker sites on the day. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I do electronic teaching. So I'm no longer racked by whatever >>>>> diseases undergraduate classes try to kill me with. And I never see a >>>>> boss >>>>> or have to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded as >>>>> the students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes. The work is >>>>> more >>>>> or less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous short >>>>> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, at >>>>> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would >>>>> really prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider >>>>> material without packaging. The current business model encourages loads >>>>> of >>>>> channels with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with >>>>> only >>>>> 1% I'd want to see and don't want to pay to support. Sports channels >>>>> require me to pay for soccer I don't want. Tony has done more for me in a >>>>> few minutes (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever >>>>> could. We lack a business model of actual choice. With one, insanestream >>>>> news and other entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC, >>>>> Discovery and so on, would be things of my past. In chronic business >>>>> terms, I wonder how they do market segmentation at all. I am sick of Blue >>>>> Peter (kids programme here) presentation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group >>>>> wanting something very different and something large enough not to be a >>>>> part of when time presses and so on. Uber, properly supervised against >>>>> racist drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can >>>>> explain why - though we have not yet worked out that technology could >>>>> massively reduce what we currently call work and planet burning. In the >>>>> meantime we can't even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and >>>>> everyone really) worrying on the curtain shades. Give us a twirl then >>>>> girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe used to encourage. I can >>>>> see >>>>> something of a business model, starting with Chris' 'attractors'. The >>>>> eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience - remembering very >>>>> few >>>>> people do education without any kind of accreditation pay-off and the >>>>> means >>>>> to pay for organisation does not move easily from free. 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