Tread softly Gabby, you can expect to be treated as you have treated others..
Sorry to disappoint you Gabby the debut/crediet system created in the someone
used in the machine accounting you see today.. They just have given names to
the slight of hand tricks..
Banking is a unique finacial environment. Normally it would be a boring
uninteresting subject the then a name as a joke created interest. Found out
that creating a legal bank is much easier than I ever imagined.. Just
lacked the major bank connection need to do interbank banking.. Didn't
realize at the time I had those needed connections also..
Talking with a childhood friend Vern asked me why I didn't sign the required
paperwork.. I am still surprised by friends I made while being a yatch bum..
(",)
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
-----Original Message-----
From: gabbydott <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
Barky-barky Allan tells our red-penned Neil that he has it right. Very
cute. Gain robber control to change the system from within, wow, what a
fresh idea! Still a way to go to machine transaction time, though. Sigh.
Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2015 schrieb :
> You have that right. Banksters is slight of hand. Or is that slight of
> money?
> The actual banking system of debit and credit was developed by a monk in
> the middle ages. That was how accounting was taught years ago.. Today
> accounting is taught as three card montie.. Shuffle cloud the issue
> claiming clarity of sight.
> Banksters do not want clarity as it does not serve their greed and control.
> If you want to change the system change it from within.. You have to
> create the illusion for banksters that they are in control.. Bitcoin is
> an outside force giving banksters an point of attack..
> If you want change the current banking system make the banksters attack
> themselves by creating a banking system within their system.. Why not
> control how you you use the system. You have to remember that the rudder
> controls and turns the ship.
> My question is why not be the rubber in yourbanking affairs.
>
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archytas <[email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
> To: [email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>
> I think the actual expertise is phony. They have built up a big control
> fraud around very little. In the past we have been dominated by such as
> water-engineers with basic skills hidden by their 'access' to the
> water-gods. The financiers are similar.
>
> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 10:17:59 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> Are these alternative currency really a challenge to the banksters?
>> If you want to really challenge banksters expertise use it to your
>> advantage by using the onion effect a system within a system.. The onion
>> has been used for generations under various names..
>> If you are forced to swim across a flooded you do not survive by
>> swimming against the current.
>>
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: archytas <[email protected]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
>> To: [email protected]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>
>> There have been many other alternative currencies, including drugs and
>> spices. The interesting thing is not Bitcoin itself (or the 80+ other
>> versions), but the challenge to claims of bank expertise and various
>> 'rents' in the economic system, oincluding those imposed by 'professionals'
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:54:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>
>>> well can not imagine why it is interesting.
>>> If it is security you want stay off the net and even then they still
>>> have you.. To much info readily available. But you know that..
>>> Onions have great security .. So what makes it interesting?
>>>
>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: archytas <[email protected]
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>
>>> In that sense Allan, iy was just another bubble. This is not why it is
>>> interesting.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:15:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We'll, if that is how you want to pay your bills.. Have fun, l recall
>>>> when Andrew became excited about bitcoin the said value was in the 1000 € =
>>>> 1 bitcoin.. Just looked up the value it is 211 € .. Let me help you pay
>>>> your bills you give me 1000 euro and in a few days I will give you 211 €
>>>> back.. Good deal right? When I first looked into bitcoin (when it first
>>>> came out) you could buy 2 for less than a Euro..
>>>> My question really is how many euro did Andrew lose.. They would not
>>>> let me create a small wallet so I cold sell my jewelry..
>>>> Now I was not allowed to create a wallet, found out later it was due
>>>> to questionable activities. But if you like looking at short term..
>>>> Have fun. And I am called a zombie.. lol
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gabbydott <[email protected]
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
>>>> To: minds-eye <[email protected]
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:51 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>
>>>> Let's make this a third person case and say people need money. They
>>>> need money pay their bills. Please don't be so hard on them, dear Allan.
>>>>
>>>> 2015-02-17 21:15 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>:
>>>>
>>>>> If you worship money....
>>>>> My memory is saying it is not worth anything for data storage and
>>>>> reterival and that is what computers are about.. In 1977 I walked away
>>>>> from
>>>>> programming..
>>>>> Can be fun if and that is a big if..
>>>>> Do you like long hours and extreme focus and the edge of sanity. The
>>>>> research projects were interesting..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 8:31 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>
>>>>> It isn't that bleak Allan. Andrew has the basic description right.
>>>>> People generally refuse to see the bigger picture these developments are
>>>>> exposing.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 6:34:02 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dream on Andrew, sorry and I already your are going to say I am full
>>>>> of shit,, by it is okay.. all own source is good for is ease in
>>>>> hacking..
>>>>> I will watch people do the delusional twisters.
>>>>> A few people will always maintain machine language you are lucky
>>>>> because they are not interested in delusional dead.. beware through he
>>>>> people who will employ them are rue control freaks. The safety net is
>>>>> within numbers and time, the segmentation ability is where the secret
>>>>> lies..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
>>>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 5:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>>>>>
>>>>> You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the internet
>>>>> than I can give you. But as I like to simplify complicated things, I will
>>>>> give it a try. The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept by
>>>>> volunteers. The volunteers document transactions made by users.The ledger
>>>>> is verifyied by consensus of the volunteers. The the only way that ledger
>>>>> can be falsified is that 51% of the volunteers that maintain the ledger
>>>>> all
>>>>> have to agree to a falsified version of the ledger. The users broadcast a
>>>>> transaction they want to include in that ledger, and the volunteers
>>>>> transcribe that transactions in that ledger. There is no centralized
>>>>> point
>>>>> of control, as the ledger is distributed by the volunteers. The
>>>>> transactions can be Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently can not be
>>>>> falsified due to the encryption it uses, or any other transactions, like
>>>>> ownership of assets, or contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as a
>>>>> "trust-less system" in that you do not have to trust a centralized
>>>>> authority to maintain that ledger, as there are none. The protocol that is
>>>>> used for the blockchain is an open source program that prevents anyone
>>>>> compromising that protocol without everyone else knowing about any changes
>>>>> that might compromise it. The entire system is of course very complicated.
>>>>> The main aspects that allow such a system to be implemented is the
>>>>> mathematics of cryptology, the internet, the distributed network of
>>>>> computers, and geeks that maintain that network not because they want to
>>>>> hack or control it, but because they want to keep it honest. I hope that
>>>>> helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain
>>>>> technology, Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay? Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey :
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been thinking about your post Niel.
>>>>> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very
>>>>> empowering. especially to the owners of centralized computers that offer
>>>>> porn, entertainment, commerce and information. It is however the
>>>>> decentralized form of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling
>>>>> people globally to freely communicate and share information without the
>>>>> control of centralized powers. The blockchain technology is the most
>>>>> empowering. It frees people to make money transactions without banks,
>>>>> legal
>>>>> transactions without lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice their
>>>>> opinions without politicians.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire
>>>>> academic papers and books through still largely restricted access. It's
>>>>> much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of what
>>>>> shows up is dross. I've played with the rest to find out what is there.
>>>>> Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a university
>>>>> library. Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net
>>>>> generally - in terms of how much of general consciousness this represents.
>>>>> Rational discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net. Techies spend a
>>>>> lot of time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate this
>>>>> sweep. There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to do
>>>>> 'expert knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build cars
>>>>> but able to drive them with a bit of training. My own bad is 'big data'
>>>>> as
>>>>> a new language that would bring a different speed to human discourse and
>>>>> potentially control of the means of production.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything
>>>>> except trash. I can join a site where a couple of young women will send
>>>>> me
>>>>> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though
>>>>> don't. There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time. I
>>>>> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can be
>>>>> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all. My insurance
>>>>> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via one
>>>>> of
>>>>> the broker sites on the day.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do electronic teaching. So I'm no longer racked by whatever
>>>>> diseases undergraduate classes try to kill me with. And I never see a
>>>>> boss
>>>>> or have to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded as
>>>>> the students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes. The work is
>>>>> more
>>>>> or less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous short
>>>>> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, at
>>>>> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would
>>>>> really prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider
>>>>> material without packaging. The current business model encourages loads
>>>>> of
>>>>> channels with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with
>>>>> only
>>>>> 1% I'd want to see and don't want to pay to support. Sports channels
>>>>> require me to pay for soccer I don't want. Tony has done more for me in a
>>>>> few minutes (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever
>>>>> could. We lack a business model of actual choice. With one, insanestream
>>>>> news and other entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC,
>>>>> Discovery and so on, would be things of my past. In chronic business
>>>>> terms, I wonder how they do market segmentation at all. I am sick of Blue
>>>>> Peter (kids programme here) presentation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group
>>>>> wanting something very different and something large enough not to be a
>>>>> part of when time presses and so on. Uber, properly supervised against
>>>>> racist drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can
>>>>> explain why - though we have not yet worked out that technology could
>>>>> massively reduce what we currently call work and planet burning. In the
>>>>> meantime we can't even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and
>>>>> everyone really) worrying on the curtain shades. Give us a twirl then
>>>>> girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe used to encourage. I can
>>>>> see
>>>>> something of a business model, starting with Chris' 'attractors'. The
>>>>> eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience - remembering very
>>>>> few
>>>>> people do education without any kind of accreditation pay-off and the
>>>>> means
>>>>> to pay for organisation does not move easily from free. Current
>>>>> strategies
>>>>> are advertising and the begging bowl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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