Hi SA Robert Young has written alot about how Darwinist philosophy and metaphor comes out of Victorian culture. A theory always reflect the values of its time and author even if only in the choice of metaphor and language, concepts etc.
Ta David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Perella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [MD] subject / object logic > Ian, > > I watched the YouTube link below and some others > I found as well that include his discussion. Natural > Inclusion instead of natural selection. Stephen Jay > Gould emphasized the positive, creative aspect of > natural selection, in which many have gotten trapped > into thinking natural selection is about extinction > and the by-gones that didn't make it. Gould > emphasized that science has gotten off-track on this, > and he goes back in his "Structure of Evolutionary > Theory" book and pulls out a lot of historical > context. He notes where evolutionary science went > off-track on many occasions, not just with the natural > sciences emphasis on the negative (in which Darwin > discussed the positive creative aspect, too). Gould, > in this very long book I mentioned, places some of > this 'off-tracking' of science due to the focus in > academics on the 'what is known now', instead of also > learning how 'what is known now' became as such. > History is full of many compromises, deals, and > forgetfulness. Gould mentioned Thomas Kuhn, in which > this latter person also discusses the mangeling in > science. > Somehow this negative aspect of natural selection > arose, and it's here. Either Darwin didn't emphazise > it enough, or over the years it is this same old SOM > perspective that focused upon this negative aspect. > As in the Rayner 'YouTube' in which he uses a piece of > paper as an example of this inclusionary. Once the > paper is torn in half to make it easier to focus on > one thing instead of bouncing ones perspective back > and forth, back and forth between two, then the one > piece of paper will be noticed, and the other > forgotten. > So, maybe it's not so much natural selection, but > the philosophy behind natural selection that channels > the results and conclusions people have about it. > > Anybody else familar with this negative approach to > natural selection, but where the positive, creative > aspect of natural selection was discussed by Darwin? > > woods, > SA > > > > [Ian] >> In simplest terms its about making decisions where >> alternative views >> are recognized to be non-exclusive (excluded middles >> are allowed) - >> logic is more inclusive, causation more >> bi-directional. eg The path a >> river flows is defined by the bed / valley that >> constrains it, but the >> river bed / valley is cut by the river itself, >> neither exclusively >> causes the other >> Look for Alan Rayner. There is a new site being >> developed which is not >> yet public, but Alan's existing work is here >> http://people.bath.ac.uk/bssadmr/inclusionality/ >> >> Here is my blog link to some YouTube videos of Alan >> explaining himself. >> http://www.psybertron.org/?p=1395 >> I like the third link best "bewitched by bipolar >> craziness .... fixed >> by sellotape" etc. >> >> Enjoy. >> Ian >> >> On 9/14/07, Heather Perella >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > What does inclusionality mean? >> > >> > SA >> > >> > >> > [DM] >> > > Funny how this sounds like inclusionality. >> > > >> > > DM >> > > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
