Ron, Ian and Discourse. 15 Oct. Ron cited Ian (who had commented mine of ...):
> > Excellent summary IMHO. For me the "problem" of seeing MoQ as an > > intellectual pattern, is the apparent circularity. If MoQ is more than > > SOM and SOM is Intellect, how can MoQ be an intellectual pattern. But > > for me that's easy;- MoQ is an evolutionary form of intellect - one that > > requires cycles to evolve to be more than SOM. Closed logic is dead, > > circular logic evolves. "An evolutionary form of intellect" kind of violates the level idea. It was an evolutionary inorganic pattern that became the biological level, and so on upwards the static hierarchy. Consequently the MOQ (as an evolutionary intellectual pattern) can't live at home. The 4th. level is as static as the rest and as SOM it allows no metaphysical (in the Pirsig's sense) evolution. I see the MOQ as the meta-level that contains the DQ/SQ, something that may look contradictory re. Pirsig's assertion that all metaphysics are pollution of Quality, but later he has said that the Quality in ZAMM is MOQ's DQ and that sets things right. > Ron: > Ian, this is what I found interesting about Bo's theories. MOQ does > not Appear to be so much an intellectual pattern as a freedom from > intellectual patterns by Becoming aware of their conventions and > origins. Conceptually it is an intellectual pattern but it is an > intellection about avoiding Intellection, thus the circular logic. Splendid! > Pirsigs genius was placing the concept of Quality "outside the chess > board" Anything one can say about it becomes null and void. MOQ is an > awareness. Subject object logic as quality intellect is working within > the framework Of our SOM language and society with the awareness of > it's underlying Quality. Almost as good, I'll just add that there are other grand concepts that could have formed the ground of reality. "Awareness" is one such, "Beauty" another, "Intuition" perhaps. IMO it's the Dynamic/ Static split (compared to the subjective/objective one) that counts. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
