Isn't part of the problem, the method. This need
to know what 'closed logic' or 'circular logic' is? I
find my self at fault here. I'm not saying these
concepts are wrong. I'm not saying these concepts
work or don't work. Ian brought them up I would
assume due to their workability to make distinct two
kinds of logic and this helps Ian. I don't really
know what they mean, but I don't think these two
concepts hold the key to some secret, special
knowledge that is the cure all. Ian, I'm not saying
you think this either.
These concepts may unlock something for somebody,
but they aren't the only doors. I guess I find the
intellectual level an exercise. As long as I'm
intellectualizing, then this is something to value.
Now to try to define what intellectualizing is, and
what kinds of intellectualizations can be labeled
intellectual, and also how some might be better than
others. I'm saying if your intellectualizing is
working, it's helping the event, not hurting it, then
what more could we ask for? It's a practice, that
some days may not work so well, and others it works
very well. Situations can be difficult and some more
easy than others. What kind of intellection do you
practice? Can that really be answered to everybodies
satisfaction as to what intellection is? To know what
it is, is different than what is practiced. So, what
is practiced. Go and find out.
SA
[SA previously]
> I will take a stab at what they mean though. By
> closed logic, I take this to mean that experience is
> an either/or type logic. No in-between. An
> experience or whatever one want's to call something,
> has to be either an s or an o. Not one or the
> other.
> So SOM closed logic spends its' time thinking if
> 'things' or experiences are either subjective or
> objective, them or us, this or that.
> By circular logic, I find this to mean that
> experience
> can't be divided into an all exclusive this or that.
>
> It is not either this/or that, but circular logic
> notices how there is no sharp divide. When you
> begin
> to think it's only subjective, then eventually this
> subjectivity is based on what's objectivity 'out
> there', then those 'out there' objects can be pieced
> together to form a new perspective so the old
> perspective must be wrong based on the new objects,
> etc... It doesn't seem to be a matter of 'out
> there'
> or 'in-here'; o or s, origin of cause or where the
> influence is strictly coming from works. These
> occurances are happening together. No divide. It
> is
> a dynamic experience this static intellectual
> experience can be.
>
> thanks.
> SA
>
>
> > [Ian]
> > > Excellent summary IMHO. For me the "problem" of
> > > seeing MoQ as an
> > > intellectual pattern, is the apparent
> circularity.
> > > If MoQ is more than
> > > SOM and SOM is Intellect, how can MoQ be an
> > > intellectual pattern. But
> > > for me that's easy;- MoQ is an evolutionary form
> > of intellect - one
> > > that requires cycles to evolve to be more than
> > SOM. Closed logic is
> > > dead, circular logic evolves.
> >
> > What do you mean by closed logic and also by
> > circular logic? If you have any websites that
> might
> > further my understanding, I'd appreciate it. I'm
> > going to google 'Friends of Wisdom' and see what
> > pops
> > up.
> >
> > thanks.
> > SA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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