Ian: Excellent summary IMHO. For me the "problem" of seeing MoQ as an intellectual pattern, is the apparent circularity. If MoQ is more than SOM and SOM is Intellect, how can MoQ be an intellectual pattern. But for me that's easy;- MoQ is an evolutionary form of intellect - one that requires cycles to evolve to be more than SOM. Closed logic is dead, circular logic evolves.
Ron: Ian, this is what I found interesting about Bo's theories. MOQ does not Appear to be so much an intellectual pattern as a freedom from intellectual patterns by Becoming aware of their conventions and origins. Conceptually it is an intellectual pattern but it is an intellection about avoiding Intellection, thus the circular logic. Pirsigs genius was placing the concept of Quality "outside the chess board" Anything one can say about it becomes null and void. MOQ is an awareness. Subject object logic as quality intellect is working within the framework Of our SOM language and society with the awareness of it's underlying Quality. Closed (analytic)logic is limited but a certain amount of certainty may be gained. Circular logic can be a lot of tail chasing which may lead to an awareness. Logic with Quality awareness has wheels and like you said evolves. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
