Ian said:
For me this just further illustrates that there is very little to distinguish 
social and intellectual level patterns.

dmb says:
Really? Then where would you locate the intellectual quality of the statement, 
"I love my country" 

R: Love and country are intellectual concepts

and where would you locate the social level value of the equation E=mc2?

R:Nuclear power plants provide the electricity for the city of Philadelphia

 
Is a book-burning an intellectual event because books are involved?

R:Depends on the method and purpose 

 When the Bush administration supresses scientific data for political and 
financial reasons, is that just a clash of equal philosophies?

R: that about it.

 Are we really powerless to discern the difference or see patterns?

R: no but the lines aren't as exactly clear as you seem to think they are.

 C'mon you guys, the difference between ant colonies and human societies is as 
stark as the difference between pheromones and moral laws. 

R: converse with many ants do you?

I really don't understand why its so hard to distinquish these things.

R: then perhaps your not as intellectual as you like to believe.

 Seems to me that fascism and fundamentalism are going to continue to threaten 
democracy and so knowing the difference is going to continue to be important. 
And if these are levels of morality then confusion about which is which is 
going to lead to immoral choices, don't you think?

R: Well then by all means enlighten us, or is it just a matter of "I know 
it when I see it."   






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