[Ron to dmb]
> R: Well then by all means enlighten us, or is it
> just a matter of "I know 
> it when I see it."   


     It is this simple if you want to fully know these
levels.  Experience the levels is different from
isolating on the intellectual level to know what each
level is.  Each level is a lived experience.  Yes, we
may define all day and night, but when I point at the
moon - is this pointing the moon?  I would say no. 
This pointing is a reach.

wet earth,
SA


      
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