Krim Yet still interchangeable I'd suggest, we could cut your hand off (for arguments's sake) and then it could be experienced like your glove.
As for objectivity, it is something we use our imagination to construct from experience, we imagine others are like ourselves, that our house does not cease to exist when we are elsewhere, etc. These imaginings are useful and good ideas, in fact essential to make any sense of experience. Our ability to extend our imaginings is what we call science and culture. DM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: pragmatism > DM: Qualitative difference gives us all all difference, but what does > irreducible mean? > > [Krimel] > Yeah, what does that mean? I mean in truth all knowledge is subjective. > You > know phenomenology much better than I do but what little I know about it > suggests that it is really on to something. Objective knowledge is always > a > matter of qualia, what it is like. But qualia refers to a translation of > direct perception. My direct experiences of color, sound and solidity need > no translation. I know them directly. To share knowledge of them I need to > symbolize them or to interact with beings who can recognize my emotional > expressions. > > So while all of my experience is purely subjective that part which > requires > translation is objective. We are also able to "objectivize" ourselves. > That > is to regard our personal bodies in the same way that we regard to bodies > and persons of others. All of this leads to much confusion and gnashing of > teeth when we try to get metaphysical about it. But in short what I am > saying is that my physical experience of private events (those going on > within my skin) are of a radically different sort than my experience of > things outside of my skin. My knowledge of my left hand is radically > different that my knowledge of the glove I wear on it. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
