> [Krimel] > Again your design and your password are currently private and can in > principle be made public. Not so your pride in the creativity of your > design or your smugness at needing a bank vault. I will decline to comment
> on your confidence that anything sent via e-mail can be considered in any > sense private. DM: Why not, think cyborg, what if we replace all my biological equipment with electronic stuff would this make any difference, I can't see why you think there is some crucial distinction here, which only an SO metaphysics requires. [Krimel] I will ignore the scifi implications of replacing the entire nervous system and look at the more mundane Bionic Woman version of replacing limbs. This would depend on the technology. Jamie Sommers seems to "feel" her bionic limbs much as she did the originals. This suggests some very sophisticated feedback mechanisms that mimic neural function. If this were possible the there would be little difference between the bionic hand and the original. > [DM] > SQ is seen on all levels, the levels interact, and SQ is more or less > universal or local. If we have levels we do not need to have two > distinct essences, as Pirsig implies, that would see levels one and two as > objective and material, and three and four as subjective and non-material. > There is though something here that the MOQ misses about local and > less local SQ, private-individual and public-common. > > [Krimel] > Pirsig's conception works to the extent that he is claims that change and > stasis are common to both forms of understanding, subjective and > objective. > This makes the study of the interplay of flux and constancy primary in > either realm. This is also true of "levels" however they are conceived. DM: Excatly my point, we can talk SQ and DQ about patterns that are either more or less public or private, to start talking about subjective or objective seems to make some funny distinction between objective and subjective patterns. [Krimel] The distinction lies not in the patterns but in the perception of the patterns. There is a qualitative difference. This is a distinction that must be learned. Infants do not make clear distinctions between where their bodies begin and end. Nor are they able to understand that others have knowledge that they do not have. The ability to distinguish between me and not me develops with experience and with maturation of the nervous system. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
