Hi Krimel See response below. David M
> [David M] > Sure there are internal and external experiences > in the sense that some stuff is public and other stuff > is private. But it is all experience for MOQ, and all > either SQ or DQ. The distinction private/public matches > poorly to subject/object and the latter can be dropped > as a metaphysical distinction between forms of experience > as MOQ suggests. > [Krimel] > If you were to say that all experience is private and there is no such > thing > as a public experience, I might agree but public/private maps precisely > onto > to subjective/objective. To the extent that objective or public > experiences > exist at all; they are the intersection or overlap of the private > experience > of individual subjects. They are those things upon which multiple > observers > can agree. > Saying that this distinction can be dropped amounts to saying that all > experience is private or subjective. But are you actually saying that? DM: I am suggesting we say public/private for the simple distinction as to what can be observed or is observed in common and what is not. What the content of my cupboard happens to be may only be known to me. Or what my opionion of George Bush is may be private and not public. I amsimply suggesting we don't start thinking or describing this as about two separate esseneces called subjects and objects. Patterns or SQ can move between these different spheresof experience. I can dream up a design for a house privately in my thoughts and it can become publicif I build it. The secret password to get into the bank vaught nay be sent to me by email, but once I have read it and destroyed the email the password is private to my mind (or brain if you can read it off my brain structure with the right can of probe, this may not ever be possible though). So I am not saying what you suggested. SQ is seen on all levels, the levels interact, and SQ is more or less universal or local. If we have levels we do not need to have two distinct essences, as Pirsig implies, that would see levels one and two as objective and material, and three and four as subjective and non-material. There is though something here that the MOQ misses about local and less local SQ, private-individual and public-common. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
