[Krimel] Sure, do you think that events in the future are controlling the past and present?
gav: no. [Krimel follow-up] So you are not advocating a "top down" you are saying neither one works? [Krimel] Do you think that spiritual sense of oneness provides knowledge of a truth beyond experience or an experience that is difficult to classify? gav:it is not a truth 'beyond experience'. it is the truth *of* experience. [Krimel follow-up] How could an experience be false? [Krimel] In what way does evolution run counter to entropy? gav: 'evolution' usually refers to biological evolution - life. entropy is the increase in disorder of a system or the decrease in order. life is the increase in order of a system...in this case an ecosystem. life, left to itself, will produce a more and more complex and biodiverse ecosystem from even the most frugal beginnings. [Krimel follow-up] Doesn't this ignore the steady stream of solar radiation energizing the earth's surface? [Krimel] Do you think there is purpose in the universe beyond what we humans bring to the table? gav: the universe cannot be separated from we humans. 'we' bringing stuff to the table is how the universe brings stuff to the table. meaning can be split into two kinds - implicit and explicit. there is no explicit meaning without humans. all experience is implicitly meaningful. [Krimel follow-up] So was there a universe before humans got here? [Krimel follow-up to follow-up] If it is we who are injecting meaning into the universe and we seem to be injecting more and more of it all the time; doesn't that suggest a bottom-up evolutionary progression? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
