I think you're making a mistake (if this is what you're saying) in
arranging these patterns by how many ways they can be expressed. I "express"
an atom when I write the word atom, I "express" an atom when I say the word.
There are an infinite number of ways anything can be expressed, depending on
how society/people express them. I could say atom in French and it would
still express the same thing as in English, etc. Just because English can be
expressed an infinite number of ways doesn't mean atoms can't.
On the other hand, if you're arranging patterns on how many
patterns/things they use (not express), the question is raised: "Does
English require atoms to be expressed?" I think the answer is yes, although,
I'll try flipping the question: "Do atoms require English to be expressed?"
No, atoms do not require English to be expressed.
Is this what you're aiming at?
On Nov 25, 2007 1:55 PM, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Krimel
>
> I think this is key, patterns have levels like
> Russian dolls, so that most complex patterns
> have an aspect on more than one level and
> have to be built up from the lowest level,
> although some don't reach up that high,
> so atoms don't use English, but English
> can be expressed in many ways: vibrating
> atoms, atoms marked on paper, atoms
> in human form, etc. But, I'd suggest, we
> can see where in the Russian doll grid
> a certain patterns manifest, there are
> levels to be understood, non-reductively
> to make sense of how the patterns inter-relate.
>
> DM
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: pragmatism
>
>
> > David M.
> >
> > Sure does. Our understanding is always enhanced by the quality and
> > quantity
> > of the nets we cast.
> >
> > Krimel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:23 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: pragmatism
> >
> > Krimel
> >
> > Adds alot to our understanding to see the reproductive-biological
> > aspect of family life, the social capital and productive aspects,
> > the political, and sexual-political (feminism etc) intellectual aspects,
> > does it not?
> >
> > David M
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: pragmatism
> >
> >
> >> [Ron]
> >> Question:
> >> Is a human still a human if it is born and raised
> >> Outside of other human contact?
> >>
> >> [Krimel]
> >> In a word, no. The evidence on this is a bit shaky but research on
> feral
> >> children suggests that after about 10 years of age, children who have
> >> not
> >> had the benefit of human contact can not learn language, can not be
> >> house
> >> broken and do not socialize. In some instances feral children have had
> >> difficulty even learning to walk erect.
> >>
> >> Ron:
> >> Kinda puts things in perspective, Family is the foundation of society.
> >> It is what defines us as human beings.
> >>
> >> [Krimel]
> >> So where does "family" fit into a system of levels? Is it biologically
> >> determined, Socially mediated and Intellectually justified? What sense
> do
> >> these questions make? What does this add to our understanding of
> >> "family"?
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