Hi Krim/Ron Did you know Wagner's Ring is a drama all about how we are in a lot of trouble because neither power, a rule of law, or a commitmenr to love can sort our problems out. It is interesting stuff.
Regards David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: pragmatism > Ron, > Nice post! I think you said this better than I. It does occur to me though > that in the first century the Rabbis argued over the fine points of the > written law. They thought their morality and virtue were determined by > their > strict adherence to the letter of the law. Jesus claimed that what was > important was the spirit of the law, or if you will, the function that it > served. He claimed that it was an understanding of the function of the law > or the law written on a man's heart that mattered not the specific > practices. In other words that the law should serve man not that man > should > serve the law. Of course most in people even into the modern era really > just > want someone to tell them what to do and really don't take this very > seriously at all. > Krimel > > > > [Platt] > About James' pragmatism, Pirsig wrote: "The idea that satisfaction alone > is > the test of anything is very dangerous, according to the Metaphysics of > Quality. There are different kinds of satisfaction and some of them are > moral nightmares. The Holocaust produced a satisfaction among Nazis. > That > was quality for them. They considered it to be practical. But it was a > quality dictated by low level static social and biological patterns > whose > overall purpose was to retard the evolution of truth and. Dynamic > Quality. > James would probably have been horrified to find that Nazis could use > his > pragmatism just as freely as anyone else, but Phaedrus didn't see > anything > that would prevent it." (Lila, 29) Do you agree? > > Ron: > Greetings Platt, > I would think Pirsig might be horrified that one could use his Moq > Just as freely as anyone else also. > > Put a tag on morals and you do just the same as the Nazis. > > Morals are a function of evolution. You seem to imply the reification of > Cultural norms as being a universal truth. > > The Nazi final solution was not embraced by all of the party, but, > The hierarchal structure and the consequence played a role > As well as the individuals faith in the hierarchy to determine > "what is best" > > Example: > You support a president that favors war > Counter to cultural morals > Because of the belief in what's best > And the faith in the hierarchy. > > You favor capitalism which is > Counter to Christian ethics and morals > Of charity to the poor. > > The deceit of the nationalist party > Was preparing the stage to justify > It's own brand of pragmatism. > Lets not get practical quality and justifiable > Genocide confused. > > Quality is not universal truth > Morality is not universal truth > Morals are a process not a truth. > > > Morality is the process of preference. > What determines what one prefers is another > Thing altogether. > > Truth is a term used to define a relative level > Of certainty within a particular context as it > Applies to its use. > > Quality, morals, truth, and betterness > Do not exist outside the conditions which > Define them. > Pirsig uses the term Moral as a metaphor > For an evolutionary function of preference. > Not a culturally defined ideal of good. > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
