Marsha: I understood Lila's soliloquy a little differently. I think of her as stating that to name/define something is to kill it. To make it static and kill off the dynamic aspects. And in this sense, it is exactly why I do not like Bo's idea of creating a MOQ level. To confine Quality, or DQ, to a level may make it static. It's also the reason I don't like Ham's use of the words 'primary' and 'purpose'. To my thinking Quality (DQ) is best left is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable, and for Bo's case, unconfined.
Marsha, Agreed, cultural definitions of quality kill its dynamic aspect Especially when the cultural definitions are taken as a truth. The whole understanding hinges on the idea that culture creates The individual as much as the individual creates culture. One does not Exist without the other. Therefore A cultural paradigm is required for any understanding of an intellectual concept. There fore Bo is not defining Quality, he is pointing out that we Still view MoQ through SOM eyes no matter how much we try not to. Or tell ourselves we are not. By saying we truly view Moq as it is And dropping SOM we are actually commiting the same fallacy of Taking SOM as true. So it is best to realize that this is the condition we are in When viewing the MoQ and important we do not succumb to the same trap In understanding. Most of us realize this but putting our finger on it helps in understanding what others mean in this forum. And yes perhaps Some of us failed to notice this before. I think a large part of The conflict Ham has with MoQ is just this SPOV, Ham is well Steeped in traditional analytic philosophy and views MoQ concepts >From this perspective. Quality does not hold up for him because Outside of a cultural definition it vanishes. It loses all meaning. He loses it in the paradigm shift. I suspect by some of the comments Bo has made about mysticism leads me to believe that he also Doesn't clearly see this shift and the role it plays in understanding. -Ron Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
