Dan and Marsha, If you would allow me to interrupt, I think I have an understanding on what Bo's SOL interpretation means. Bo equates SOM with the intellectual level by virtue of culture. SOL is MOQ Interpreted through SOM culture.
Both of you are also correct by positing as Pirsig does, that SOM is an Intellectual pattern just as MOQ when one views the levels outside of culture. When viewed within the culture (as Bo maintains that's all one can ever do) SOM is the intellectual level and MOQ can only be used via it's cultural distinctions. In this interpretation MoQ is realized through SOM cultural understanding. Since we as individuals are defined by the culture we live in, Our intellect is also defined by the culture we live in. Ideally, Pirsig generated the levels as a general evolutionary trans Cultural paradigm. But as Bo accurately points out, we can only ever view this paradigm through Our own cultural understandings. This is what makes his SOL interpretation a more accurate appraisal of MoQ concepts as it relates to our specific cultural understanding. Because we simply can not escape our own cultural influences Our cultural influences make up who we are and how we view reality. Try to speak outside of culture and it is meaningless, therefore Immediate experience is the closest culturally understood descriptor Of a trans cultural experience. And as that experience it possesses more human commonality than That of any intellectual cultural distinction. -Ron >>> Dan, >>> >>> What do you think of making the Intellectual Level subject/object >>> only, and creating a MOQ level above? >> >>Hi Marsha >>It doesn't jibe with the way I understand the MOQ. Like the SOM, the >>MOQ is a theory, an idea, a static quality intellectual pattern of >>value. That seems pretty simple. I see no reason to posit any >>further levels. It only complicates matters. > > That's the way I see it too. Maybe if Bo's problem can be better > understood, a better way to address it will surface. Hi Marsha I notice that I often become manic about certain ideas and worry them like an old dog worries a bone but I tend to grow tired after a while and like the old dog let go. I admire Bo's tenacity but have nothing more to add that would serve to change his mind. He's been gnawing this bone for nigh on 10 years now and I am still not sure who he hopes to convince save himself or what difference said convincing will make. His jaw has got to be tired though. Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
