[Bo quotes Pirsig and then Bo comments]
> He simply meant that at the cutting edge of
> time, before
> > an object can be distinguished, there must be
> a kind of
> > NON-INTELLECTUAL awareness, which he called
> > awareness of Quality. (my caps)
> >
> > He calls it "awareness of Quality", this sort of
> implies an
> > awareness prior to Quality, but I believe he meant
> this to be
> > Dynamic Quality.
[Peter]
> This is a crucial part of Pirsig's work. We have
> talked about the route of
> quality from the bottom to the top. People on other
> threads have talked
> about how bums and drop-outs might experience the
> world more directly than
> those enmeshed in modern living.
[SA currently]
I didn't say "more", as in "bums and drop-outs
might experience the world 'more' directly", but maybe
somebody else did. Now... even though I didn't say
"more" the comparison might go somewhere, but I don't
like the comparison due to it might lead into an 'us
and them' literal debate where the good in each (bums
and modern living) might be lost in such a debate. It
is an interesting thought though.
[Peter]
> Krishnamurti talked about seeing a tree
> without naming it. Non-intellectual awareness of
> quality; it's quite a vague
> idea.
[SA currently]
I see this idea rooted in what Krimel suggest,
which is consciousness is in the biological brain.
Thoughts are in the biological brain, but I don't see
how thoughts are in the biological could take away
from 'thoughts' themselves. As atoms are in the
biological, but atoms are inorganic as well. If this
is what Krimel was getting to?
[Peter]
> Certainly I remember noticing sometimes when
> my thinking was less
> clear and my mind disturbed, only to realise later
> that subliminal pain in
> my body was the cause of my distraction. Were you
> aware of how your back
> contacts the chair you are sitting on before I wrote
> this sentence? The body
> processes or values sense data constantly but can
> that be called awareness?
> We can only call it awareness after a certain
> threshold in the valuation
> process has been passed and the message is forced
> into the mind or,
> alternatively, the mind deliberately reaches out
> with the senses. It becomes
> intellectual when we name it. Cats can't name but
> they have awareness. Just
> rambling!
I see what you mean.
SA
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