Hi Ron, > Steve: > Pirsig says in Lila, "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting > edge of reality, the source of all things, completely simple and > always new." So pre-intellectual awareness may be equated with DQ. I > think some would also argue that it is to be equated with Quality. > > Ron: > Aren't DQ and Quality merely intellectual patterns, Pre-intellectual a > concept. They are describing a state of mind. The one I was referring > to.
Steve: DQ and Quality are concepts but they also point to experience that isn't intellectual patterns. I don't think that concepts are usually thought of as states of mind. They are mental constructs or aesthetic intellectual creations or intellectual patterns of value in the MOQ. > Steve: >> I can't imagine what an example of a self-aware intellectual pattern >> would be. Can you provide one? > > Ron quoting Steve: > "pre-intellectual awareness may be equated with DQ. I > think some would also argue that it is to be equated with Quality." > > Ron: > Is this not what this statement suggests? > Steve: Are you saying that my statement is aware of itself as a statement? > Steve: > I don't see how self-awareness can be applied to the social level. > > Ron: > Isn't that what Pirsigs books are about? Bringing social change > through > the Individual? Steve: Maybe there is a confusion between self-awareness and awareness of social patterns? Regards, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
