Ron, Steve, dmb, and others,
> Steve said (I think):
> Thought outside intellect is impossible because
> thought and intellect
> are the same think. Pirsig says that intellect is
> simply thinking.
> ...There are certainly better and worse
> perspectives, but thought is
> still thought. Thought doesn't turn into something
> else if it's based on
> a better perspective. ...But as a type of pattern of
> value, to me it
> doesn't make sense to think of the MOQ as anything
> but an intellectual
> pattern of value.
>
> dmb says:
> I agree. In fact, I've been relatively polite about
> it because Bo seems
> like such a nice guy but I have to say that the
> attempt to place the MOQ
> in some realm beyond intellect is just really,
> really dumb. I think a
> person would have to ignore or misunderstand
> pragmatism, radical
> empiricism, philosophical mysticism and dozens of
> direct statements from
> Pirsig in order to entertain such a notion. I think
> the whole idea
> misses the point of the MOQ by several lightyears.
> And that's exactly
> what I see Bo doing. Its just impossible nonsense.
> Sorry, but that's how
> I see it.
>
> Ron interjects:
> I would not consider bo to be light years away, that
> would show only a
> deeper misunderstanding of pragmatism, radical
> empiricism, philosophical
> mysticism and dozens of direct statements from
> Pirsig in order to
> entertain such a notion,
> If Bo is guilty of anything it's trying to re-invent
> the wheel, he seeks
> clarification.
> No doubt it is by Radical empiricism and Pragmatism
> that MoQ must
> operate within the cultural context. To gain
> acceptance it must prove
> useful.
> Otherwise it remains a mystical allusion, wouldn't
> you say?
SA: Ron, this use of "cultural context" is your
idea, and a good idea, but Bo rejected this "cultural
context". Bo is following a two step process (it was
three but it seems Bo's toning down his hijacking of
the moq from Pirsig.).
1 - Use Comte's evoltionary scale.
2 - Make Comte's scale with Plato's glue.
woods,
SA
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