-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of david buchanan Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MD] What is culture in the MOQ?
Steve said (I think): Thought outside intellect is impossible because thought and intellect are the same think. Pirsig says that intellect is simply thinking. ...There are certainly better and worse perspectives, but thought is still thought. Thought doesn't turn into something else if it's based on a better perspective. ...But as a type of pattern of value, to me it doesn't make sense to think of the MOQ as anything but an intellectual pattern of value. dmb says: I agree. In fact, I've been relatively polite about it because Bo seems like such a nice guy but I have to say that the attempt to place the MOQ in some realm beyond intellect is just really, really dumb. I think a person would have to ignore or misunderstand pragmatism, radical empiricism, philosophical mysticism and dozens of direct statements from Pirsig in order to entertain such a notion. I think the whole idea misses the point of the MOQ by several lightyears. And that's exactly what I see Bo doing. Its just impossible nonsense. Sorry, but that's how I see it. Ron interjects: I would not consider bo to be light years away, that would show only a deeper misunderstanding of pragmatism, radical empiricism, philosophical mysticism and dozens of direct statements from Pirsig in order to entertain such a notion, If Bo is guilty of anything it's trying to re-invent the wheel, he seeks clarification. No doubt it is by Radical empiricism and Pragmatism that MoQ must operate within the cultural context. To gain acceptance it must prove useful. Otherwise it remains a mystical allusion, wouldn't you say? _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista(r) + Windows Live(tm). http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_ CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
