i can't see it dave. i don't see how intellect can exist without subjects thinking of objects.
SOM was the evolutionary leap that enabled intellect. intellect can't exist outside of this split: the split is fundamental. i don't see how calling the split dynamic/static changes anything. it is still a split. reality is pre-conceptual. MOQ is conceptual and therefore is an object of consideration for thinking subjects. metaphysics are intellectual frameworks. the MOQ accomodates SOM within a broader context, incorporating a mystic, dynamic absolute that underpins and pervades all 'things'. --- david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ron said to dmb: > I have no argument with your quotes, they do Attack > SOM they also offer solutions within the context. > But it's within The context. I'm not dismissing it > or explaining it away, I acknowledge It as what it > is. But as long as we live in SOM culture use SOM > language And intellectualize about SOM as a concept, > we are trapped in SOM. > > dmb says: > Well, if you think we are trapped in SOM then you > are certainly dismissing those quotes. Or maybe it's > just that you don't quite understanding what they > mean. My point here is to refute the idea that SOM > and intellect are equal to each other, that we are > trapped in it. Nobody denies that SOM is part of the > language or culture. As I've said many times, those > distinctions are useful and appropriate most of the > time. The point James, Dewey and Pirsig make is > simply that we ought not confuse these concepts with > reality itself. These concepts have been given > existential status by materialists and idealists > alike. They have been reified by philosophers, made > into a metaphysical reality rather than just a handy > abstraction. That's the mistake. James, Dewey and > Pirsig offer an alternative intellectual description > that treat subjects and objects as secondary rather > than primary. This is me not giving up on you. ;-) > > As far as I can tell, however, topos theory has > nothing to do with this. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
