Spot on Dave. Perhaps not unsurprisingly the opposite of "unanalyzed unity" is the analytic knife, not necessarily subjects and objects. Ian
On 1/15/08, david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gav said: > i can't see it dave. i don't see how intellect can exist without subjects > thinking of objects. SOM was the evolutionary leap that enabled intellect. > intellect can't exist outside of this split: the split is fundamental. i > don't see how calling the split dynamic/static changes anything. it is still > a split. > > dave says: > Think about that analytic knife. That's intellect. It can slice up reality in > any number of ways. Subjects and objects are just one way to divide > experience. Yes, intellect splits experience or reality. It makes > distinctions and definitions but there is no reason to think there is only > one way to do this. James's statement that pure experience is "only virtually > classifiable" as subject or object makes this same claim. Like Pirsig, he's > saying subjects and objects are concepts rather than reality itself. > Intellect can't exist outside of the cutting, but there's more than one way > to slice it. And I think its very compelling that they both think the > static/dynamic distinction is better as a first cut. > > Gav said: > reality is pre-conceptual. MOQ is conceptual and therefore is an object of > consideration for thinking subjects. metaphysics are intellectual frameworks. > the MOQ accomodates SOM within a broader context, incorporating a mystic, > dynamic absolute that underpins and pervades all 'things'. > > dave says: > Except for the part about the MOQ being an object for a subject, I'm with you > here. The MOQ is an intellectual framework, one that knows that such > frameworks are only a menu and not the food, one that is drawn with the > understanding of the limits of intellect, one that makes room for the > pre-intellectual reality it cuts up. > > We gotta hang out. I miss you. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista(R) + Windows Live™. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
