Hi Joe, Joe said: > Islam, a religion of peace, has been influenced by the ‘fakir’ > dedication > in the East, from which most esoteric traditions spring.
Steve: On what basis do you say that Islam is a religion of peace? Below I supplied evidence that it is not. The Amish and Jainism seem peaceful, but Christianity, Islam, and Judaism do not. Steve Previously: >> Is >> Islam a religion of peace as we are so often told and as liberals >> seem so >> inclined to believe? The following quotes (copied and pasted from >> what looked >> like a nutty Christian website) from the Koran represent some of >> the beliefs >> that many say must be respected in the name of tolerance: >> >> "Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than >> carnage...Fight >> against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns >> supreme." >> (Surah 2:190-) >> >> "Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah >> 2:216) >> >> "Men are tempted [in this life] by the lure of women...far better >> is the >> return of God. Say: 'Shall I tell you of better things than these, >> with which >> the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Theirs shall be >> gardens watered >> by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: wives of perfect >> chastity..." (Surah 3:14, 15) >> >> "The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19) >> >> "Believers, do not make friends with any but your own >> people...They desire >> nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When >> they meet you >> they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their >> finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119) >> >> "If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His >> forgiveness and His >> mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-) >> >> "To those that declare: 'God has commanded us to believe no >> apostle unless he >> brings down fire to consume an offering,' say: 'Other apostles >> before me >> [Muhammad] have come to you with veritable signs and worked the >> miracle you >> asked for...If they reject you [Muhammad], other apostles have >> been rejected >> before you..." (Surah 3:183-) >> >> "If you wish to replace a wife with another, do not take from her >> the dowry >> you have given her..." (Surah 4:20) >> >> "Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as >> slaves." (Surah >> 4:20-, 24-) >> >> "Believers, do not approach your prayers when you are drunk, but >> wait till you >> can grasp the meaning of your words..." (Surah 4:43) >> >> "Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-) >> >> "Try as you may, you cannot treat all your wives >> impartially." (Surah 4:126-) >> >> "The Jews and Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His >> loved ones.' >> Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?" (Surah 5:18) >> >> "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your >> friends." (Surah 5:51) >> >> "The God will say: 'Jesus, son of Mary, did you ever say to >> mankind 'Worship >> me and my mother as gods besides God?' 'Glory to You, 'he will >> answer, 'how >> could I ever say that to which I have no right?" (Surah 5:114-) >> >> "Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not >> turn your >> backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to >> them, except >> it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and >> Hell shall be >> his home..." (Surah 8:12-) >> >> "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion >> shall reign >> supreme." (Surah 8:36-) >> >> "If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly >> retaliate by >> breaking off your treaty with them." (Surah 8:51-) >> >> "...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God >> will chastise >> them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over >> them..." >> (Surah 9:12-) >> >> "It ill becomes the idolaters [non-Muslims] to visit the mosques >> of God..." >> (Surah 9:17) >> >> "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given >> [Jews and >> Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly >> subdued." >> (Surah 9:27-) >> >> "It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the >> true Faith >> [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the >> idolaters >> [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-) >> >> "If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you >> by other >> men." (Surah 9:37-) >> >> "Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal >> rigorously >> with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73) >> >> "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal >> firmly with >> them." (Surah 9:121-) >> >> "Say: 'Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no >> partner in >> His Kingdom..." (Surah 17:111) >> >> "'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered, 'when I am a >> virgin...?' >> 'Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied. 'That is no difficult >> thing for >> Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those >> who say: >> 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous >> falsehood..." >> (Surah 19:12-, 29-, 88) >> >> "Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has >> given you >> the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78-) >> >> "Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires >> (except with >> their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These >> are the >> heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-) >> >> "You shall not force your slave-girls into prostitution in order >> that you make >> money, if they wish to preserve their chastity." (Surah 24:33-) >> >> "As for the faithful who do good works and believe what is >> revealed to >> Muhammad...He will forgive them their sins..." (Surah 47:1) >> >> "Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the >> unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29) >> >> "Shall the reward of goodness be anything but good?...Dark-eyed >> virgins >> sheltered in their tents...They shall recline on green cushions >> and fine >> carpets...Blessed be the name of your Lord..." 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