> > SA previously: ...Yet, once I figure out the word
or
> identity of any culture's analogy of a rock, I can
ask them to
> > bring me their Aunt Seal and they'll bring me what
> we call a sandstone, or maybe they call it a
> sandstone, too - but their not going to chop a tree
down and
> give it to me.
Magnus:
> Not sure about that. If you say "rock" to an
> astronomer, a 200 m asteroid may come to mind, but
if you say it
> to the astronomer's 5 year old child, it's probably
> fist-sized.
SA: Sure, this is very understandable. A rock is a
collection of minerals, thus, an asteroid would be a
rock, and a fist-sized rock is a rock. A 5 year old
child might pick up a piece of quartz and call it a
rock, but a geologist would call quartz a mineral
instead. Or many people might call ice, well, ice,
but a geologist would identify ice as a mineral, which
many people probably wouldn't know about this kind of
identification of ice. A geologist might say a tree
is a rock, as well, but this is in the context of coal
where a tree is becoming a rock/coal or a hunk of coal
was a tree (with other plant components), etc, etc...
> > Magnus:
> >> When our solar system was young, there
> >> were nobody there to call anything by name. But
> the rocks, stones and dust
> >> particles went about their business anyway.
> Obeying the rules of level 1 and
> >> forming the sun and planets we take for granted
> >> today.
> >
> > SA: Very good Magnus, you know your basic
> astronomy. Now some may point out that their
creation story
> > doesn't involve this early solar system, that's
> fine and dandy. ...In the culture of scientific
astronomy, rocks did
> exist in the early solar system, billions of years
before
> any humankind took a step on earth. Depending on
how
> > early one desires to view the solar system, the
> earth may not exist yet either.
Magnus:
> Yes I understand, and I accept that people have
> different ways to look at things. But I still think
the
> default way here should be the MoQ, and if another
view is
> described, one should also state which one, and
realize that it
> is not the MoQ.
SA: I think that's what we're doing, correct? I also
walk the fine line of debating some that I find to be
distorting the moq. I don't have a problem with this.
Ham is one, but Ham knows that he has his own
philosophy. I've many a many posts gone back and
forth with Bo, I've gone as far as to state that Bo is
hijacking the moq, taking it for his own, and even
calling Pirsig wrong about his own philosophy - I mean
Bo likes the first one or two chapters of ZMM and then
calls the rest, for the most part, 'wrong', and well,
Lila, he wonders why Pirsig even wrote it. I've been
down this path, heavily. I also understand that to
know where somebody is coming from, helps. Steve
brought up some excellent points about Bo's
understanding in a recent post. I guess I'm trying to
be conscious of the pigeon-hole event, where I might
be overlooking something myself, but Bo is on a
rampage. Thus, why I wrote the "bridge musing", for
the discussion for weeks now seems to be only about
s's and o's or levels. These are important issues,
but the moq is not just about these points.
Anyways... For Bo, it's either s or o, and that's all
he has to say (note Marsha's post to Bo about if he
has anything of "value" to mention, and Bo couldn't
respond, other than he likes to see the moq "applied"
and then he goes back to divide the world between s's
and o's.)
Magnus:
> I think we had a consensus about this, but it was
> quite a long time ago.
SA: "consensus" - You and I or do you mean the forum?
so much snow! Reaching about a foot of snow in less
than 24 hours, and for around here, that's a lot,
SA
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