Ron & Magnus, At 01:45 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote:
>Ron prev: > > You were stating that MoQ does not fall into the same > > Category as SOM in regard to static intellectual patterns. > > I disagreed. > > I interpreted you as saying that > > Rocks, computers and slips of paper do not fall into the > > Category as thoughts and concepts that they are objective facts. > > >Magnus: >Almost. But with the crucial difference that they are not quite >objective facts. All static patterns are involved in quality >events, and in a quality event there is always one subject and one >object. When a rock falls onto another rock, one is subject and the >other is subject. When an amoeba feels the scent of food, the amoeba >is likely to be categorized as the subject and the scent is the object. >But that's just the SOM way of seeing it, the MoQ says that the roles >can just as well be reversed. > >Actually, I haven't thought much about why (and if) we need to keep >calling the parties in a quality event subject and object, since the >difference is unclear. They are simply equal parties in the event. > >Ron: >This is a good start. Why are we discussing this in terms of subjects >and objects? When we shift to patterns of value things come around. >If you concede that physical reality is patterns of value then it stands >To reason that it is the human mind which interprets these patterns >As rocks and amoebas. When Pirsig explains that everything is an analogy >I take this to include all human perception as well, not simply >language. >You seem to distinguish between immediate experience and intellect as if >They are separate and unrelated functions. I feel they are separate >process but of a single system that of the human mind the interpreter of >patterns. Sometimes what I do is to reduce nouns and verbs to there basic MOQ meaning. *I'm seeing that rock* becomes *This collection of static patterns of value and that pattern of value are experiencing.* SPoVs experiencing. Ug! Of course both spovs and experiencing are the same thing, quality-value-experience. ***Quality*** Doesn't make for a very sophisticated sentence, but isn't that what is happening? Of course if you're into humor, it's a lifetime of laughter and wonder. Marsha ********* The universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is only the reflection of all the others in a fantastic interrelated harmony without end. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
