Magnus 14 February you wrote:
> It's getting hard to keep up with the flow here. Perhaps I'm already > behind. Yes, I feel the need for "coming up for air" in this Tsunami. To try to come to grips with our agree- and disagreements I open a new thread and a new approach. I had said: > > We have all solemnly forsworn the Mind/Matter metaphysics > > where mind(=thoughts) is one half of reality, how come you > > accuse me of making some levels into thought levels? After all there > > is no such thing as thoughts in the MOQ (except as part of > > intellect's thought/matter value, IMO) Magnus: > Because your reasoning always start from some person or group of > persons thinking this, and thinking that. I ask in a serious "mode". Do you mean that my claim that animals have the neural capacity to - you know - "store & manipulate experience" makes the biological level a thought level? And likewise that my claim that ancient (social level) people had theories about existence (what we call myths) makes the social level a theoretical level? And that the Greek's search for "eternal principles" (the beginning of the 4th. level IMO) continues the mental/theoretical/thought evolution? Magnus ctd: > Sometimes they're in one mode and at other times they're in some other > mode. The idea is that we are all levels - isn't it so - thus when our body hurts our "mode" turns biological. And when the society we identify with is in question our "mode" turns social etc. what's wrong with this? Magnus: > When you're reasoning about reality, it seems you never give a second > thought about the physical world that existed before humans, and still > exists. Also, your version of the MoQ have no room for artificial > intelligence, so when such things pops up and starts thinking about > thinking, your MoQ is useless. Do I not consider the inorganic level? I don't have good examples of ourselves in inorganic "mode" except death, but I know well that it is existence's base and is infinitely older than life. Give me a break Magnus! And how do you know my opinion on Artificial Intelligence before we have discussed it? Speak about prejudice! And "your MOQ" (with tons of contempt) It's MOQ to the core, underpinned by most of Pirsig's work. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
