Magnus > Nah, we're talking about the levels here, we've already left the DQ/SQ > split behind and have been discussing the 4 levels.
We have all solemnly forsworn the Mind/Matter metaphysics where mind(=thoughts) is one half of reality, how come you accuse me of making some levels into thought levels? After all there is no such thing as thoughts in the MOQ (except as part of intellect's thought/matter value, IMO) > I didn't say the brain does the transformation from inorganic patterns > to biological sense experience. I said that the senses does that. I > explicitly wrote that "the brain itself has no such senses" above. Brain and senses are one and the same, the eyes (apples) are just a tiny part of vision, and that goes for all senses. They even say that brain is the real sex organ ;-) > On the other hand, the brain as the hardware where software is running > is no different from my view of the human brain. But *only* in terms > of static patterns. A computer is immune to DQ influence. Phew, when out of argument, produce fog. > The 4 levels are supposed to depend on each lower level, right? So > where is the society in your view when a human is disconnected from > his? Can he still think rational thoughts without his society? A bit cryptic this one. All human beings are of the 3 first levels - not all has attained the 4th - so even if a person moves from one country to another it does not make him incapable of thinking. What strange notion is behind such a question. > There you did it again. "So do we when focus is at that level". These > little formulations from you are a constant reminder that you seem to > only regard the levels as just different ways to focus a mind. When a > mind is hungry, it wants to eat, when it's lonely, it wants to chat > with a few friends, and when it's curious, it wants to make rational > arguments. But the world is about more than just minds having > different types of needs. Chris commented this so well that I need not add anything. > Ok, but you missed describing a stone in terms of the levels. Why don't you make the said description, so that I know how? Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
