Hi Chrstoffer and Magnus,

Magnus:
>You're getting there, just forget for a moment what others have been saying 
>about *when* the 4th level emerged.
>
>There's a difference between:
>
>1. "When did the first 4th level pattern emerge?"
>
>... and ...
>
>2. "When did 4th level arguments start having an impact on human civilization?"
>
>Question 1 deals with the metaphysical construction of our universe. What 
>kinds 
>of stuff is our universe made of?
>
>Question 2 deals with human history. It presumes a human civilization and 
>discusses how a metaphysics can be applied to human thinking and interaction, 
>a 
>fascinating subject I'm sure but not what we should be talking about here.

Steve:
I think a more relevent and accessible question in trying to understand what 
intellectual patterns are is to think about when children first participate in 
intellectual patterns and what those are like.

Thoughts?

Regards,
Steve
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