[Platt] If you want to go back to ancient history, be my guest. Most are more interested in the last 100 years.
[Arlo] Yes, since religion was neutered by secular enlightenment. A wise decision if you wish to pander to dogmatic religion. But your claim was not about the last 100 years. It was about how those who advocate "state supremacy" are "atheists". Historically, this is far from true. Nor is your "implied" belief that "belief in God" keeps man "free from state control", as is proven false by even the most cursory of historical reads. What you are doing, as I've said, is conflating post-secular enlightenment with "belief in God". It has never been "religion" that has given man "freedom" and "rights". It has never been "religion" that has kept "man" valued as anything more than cattle. It has been secular enlightenment that has carried that torch, indeed, that had lit that torch in the first place. But its easy to see why apologists for western religion would try to back-step and pretend their religion was all about "man's rights", and how their freedom was "endowed by God", and try to disassociate "atheism" with the very thing secular enlightenment brought us... liberty and freedom. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
