> [Arlo]
> As I said, this attempt by "religion" to latch onto secular 
> enlightenment's ideas of "freedom" is naught but a pathetic attempt 
> by a castrated dogma to align itself with the philosophy that caused 
> its demise.
> 


DM: You know there is a large post-modern contingent that are
suggesting that pushing Nietzsche to his full consequences
suggests that we have very poor grounds for being certain about
the death of god, it might be that this is neither pathetic or opportunist
but intellectually valid.

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