Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Ron] > Unfortunately the Nazis were a Christian movement supported by the > local churches, not all, but most. ... I cross-referenced a lot of it. > > [Arlo] > Stop bring facts into the discussion, Ron. You and I both know its > not about historical facts or reality. The great majority of German > citizens who supported the Nazi Party were Christians, the foot > soldiers and mobs who rounded up, killed, beat and shipped Jews off > on trains to be slaughtered were not "atheists" but self-described > Christians. Many within the Nazi Party were also admitted Occultists, > who dabbled in a mishmash of religious belief around the Aryan Race > Ideal. Hitler, if anything, was a Deist, albeit it with a uniquely > warped understanding of what "the creator of the Universe" or > "Eternal Providence" wanted. > > In the book, The Holy Reich, the author outlines the historical > reality of the overt ties between religion and Nazi Ideology. > "Analyzing the previously unexplored religious views of the Nazi > elite, Richard Steigmann-Gall argues against the consensus that > Nazism as a whole was either unrelated to Christianity or actively > opposed to it. In contrast, Steigmann-Gall demonstrates that many in > the Nazi movement believed the contours of their ideology were based > on a Christian understanding of Germany's ills and their cure. He > also explores the struggle the "positive Christians" waged with the > party's paganists and demonstrates that this was not just a conflict > over religion, but over the very meaning of Nazi ideology itself." > > "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will > of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am > fighting for the work of the Lord." (Hitler) > > http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Reich-Conceptions-Christianity-1919-1945/dp/0521823714 > > Like I said, the evidence is clearly there, as you yourself have > found. But don't waste your time. This isn't about historical fact. > This is about twisting reality to fit Ideological Propaganda.
Talk about a one-sided view to fit an ideology! A more fair and balanced view comes from the Wikipedia entry, "Aolf Hitler's Religious Belief:" In the beginning Hitler was opposed to state atheism, which for example was part of the political system of the Soviet Union, but he nevertheless desired a religiously neutral state system, at least during the years of his dictatorship.[38] He feared the political power that the churches had, and did not want to openly antagonize that political base until he had securely gained control of the country. Once in power Hitler showed his contempt for religion and sought to eliminate it from areas under his rule.[39][40] Within Hitler's Nazi Party some atheists were quite vocal especially Baldur von Schirach, Arthur Axmann and Martin Bormann. From Hitler's promotion of declared atheists within his party and his use of Muslim fighters[41][42] in his army, it can be concluded that Hitler in the public realm tolerated different religious opinions, ranging from atheist to Islam to Christianity, as long as those people professing these different creeds would support the Nazi regime. Hitler often used religious speech and symbolism in his propaganda to appease and promote Nazism to those that he feared would be disposed to act against him,[43][44] The Marxist Russian state feared that if they commenced a program of persecution against religion in the western regions, Hitler would use that as a pretext for war.[45] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
