Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> [Platt]
> But if you believe in the supreme value of the state, you can't 
> believe in the supreme value of God. If you believe in state 
> supremacy you are likely to also be an atheist.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Not according to the Monarchs and Theocrats who viewed, historically, 
> the Supreme Value of the State to be the manifest reality of God's 
> Will. I seem to recall the "Holy Roman Empire" being quite a profound 
> example of believing combining God and state. I also seem to recall 
> Europe's monarchs for the better part of Western History to have no 
> problem conflating the Supremacy of God with the Supremacy of The 
> State, sacrificing and executing dissidents towards the state in the 
> name of God.
> 
> As I said, this attempt by "religion" to latch onto secular 
> enlightenment's ideas of "freedom" is naught but a pathetic attempt 
> by a castrated dogma to align itself with the philosophy that caused 
> its demise.

If you want to go back to ancient history, be my guest. Most are more
interested in the last 100 years. 



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