[SA] the caller was shouting at Rush due to the caller's madness. I listened to hear what the caller (he) was so mad about, and he was talking about when people do everything they possibly can with full effort and something still can't be achieved, then they are to rely upon God to do the impossible. Then the caller mentioned what he was so mad about - it was Obama. The caller said to Rush, you know we are the 'true people', and with hope, God will do the impossible for us.
[Arlo] Since Raygun, the neocons have ongoingly entrenched themselves in the rhetoric of The Holy War, a war on which "they" (neoconservatives) are the Righteous, Chosen, Honest, Decent, Noble Folk who battle All Things Evil, and the biggest Evil is "them" (liberals) who they paint as Vile, Deceitful, Anti-freedom, Dishonest, Manipulative Enslavers. Liberals have been cast as "commies" and now "fascists". Liberals are responsible for "every global economic depression in history" (Glenn Beck), they want to not only surrender to terrorists but they want to see dead Americans in the streets. The vitriol in the books they publish is apparent, "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder", "Liberal Fascism", "Godless: The Church of Liberalism", etc. Is there any doubt that neocons see themselves as "Holy Warriors" battling against the "Satanic, Atheistic Legions of Evil"? [DMB] Its also interesting to notice how the general election, assuming it'll be McCain vs Obama, will end up being a contest between fear and hope. This would, more or less, prove the main thesis of "The Power of Nightmares". [Arlo] Good point. [Ron] Unfortunately the Nazis were a Christian movement supported by the local churches, not all, but most. ... I cross-referenced a lot of it. [Arlo] Stop bring facts into the discussion, Ron. You and I both know its not about historical facts or reality. The great majority of German citizens who supported the Nazi Party were Christians, the foot soldiers and mobs who rounded up, killed, beat and shipped Jews off on trains to be slaughtered were not "atheists" but self-described Christians. Many within the Nazi Party were also admitted Occultists, who dabbled in a mishmash of religious belief around the Aryan Race Ideal. Hitler, if anything, was a Deist, albeit it with a uniquely warped understanding of what "the creator of the Universe" or "Eternal Providence" wanted. In the book, The Holy Reich, the author outlines the historical reality of the overt ties between religion and Nazi Ideology. "Analyzing the previously unexplored religious views of the Nazi elite, Richard Steigmann-Gall argues against the consensus that Nazism as a whole was either unrelated to Christianity or actively opposed to it. In contrast, Steigmann-Gall demonstrates that many in the Nazi movement believed the contours of their ideology were based on a Christian understanding of Germany's ills and their cure. He also explores the struggle the "positive Christians" waged with the party's paganists and demonstrates that this was not just a conflict over religion, but over the very meaning of Nazi ideology itself." "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." (Hitler) http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Reich-Conceptions-Christianity-1919-1945/dp/0521823714 Like I said, the evidence is clearly there, as you yourself have found. But don't waste your time. This isn't about historical fact. This is about twisting reality to fit Ideological Propaganda. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
