Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > If you want to go back to ancient history, be my guest. Most are more > interested in the last 100 years. > > [Arlo] > Yes, since religion was neutered by secular enlightenment. A wise > decision if you wish to pander to dogmatic religion.
The enlightenment Founding Fathers weren't "neutered" from their religion. > But your claim was not about the last 100 years. It was about how > those who advocate "state supremacy" are "atheists". Historically, > this is far from true. Nor is your "implied" belief that "belief in > God" keeps man "free from state control", as is proven false by even > the most cursory of historical reads. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Castro et al were God-fearing leaders? Yeah, right. > What you are doing, as I've said, is conflating post-secular > enlightenment with "belief in God". It has never been "religion" that > has given man "freedom" and "rights". It has never been "religion" > that has kept "man" valued as anything more than cattle. It has been > secular enlightenment that has carried that torch, indeed, that had > lit that torch in the first place. See above about the Founding Fathers. > But its easy to see why apologists for western religion would try to > back-step and pretend their religion was all about "man's rights", > and how their freedom was "endowed by God", and try to disassociate > "atheism" with the very thing secular enlightenment brought us... > liberty and freedom. See above about the Founding Fathers. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
