> [Arlo] > I'm not familiar with Nietzsche to make any comment on this. Could you > explain? > As for the intellectual validity of the argument, it would have to show > how > "freedom" and "man's rights" came from religion and not secular > enlightenment. > To do so, it would have to demonstrate that historically this has been a > concern of religion, and we see that it has not... until the > post-enlightenment > period. > > It has been against these castrating forces that religion set up > "redefining > itself" and has latched onto the very philosophy that it had fought > against. If > you have any ideas or examples of otherwise, I'd love to hear them. >
Hi Arlo John Caputo looks at this stuffpost-modern stuff in his On Religion book, I haven't the time and energy to dig this stuff out for you at the moment, but one thing I'd suggest is that the intellectual development of the Enlightenment is closely tied to protestant and religious dissenter thought so that what we get in the Enlightenment is a mix of class revolution, recovery of Greek thought and new critical christian thought, few philosophes or enlightenment scientists were atheists. My point: it's always a complex culturalmix. Lots of christian marxist revoluiionaries or christian socialist reformers in the UK after the enlightenment, looking atv slavery and working conditions & urban poverty. Of cousre, all the really odd christians left Europe and went sailing off west somewhere! I wonder what happened to them? regards David M Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
