[Arlo] As I said, this attempt by "religion" to latch onto secular enlightenment's ideas of "freedom" is naught but a pathetic attempt by a castrated dogma to align itself with the philosophy that caused its demise.
[DM] You know there is a large post-modern contingent that are suggesting that pushing Nietzsche to his full consequences suggests that we have very poor grounds for being certain about the death of god, it might be that this is neither pathetic or opportunist but intellectually valid. [Arlo] I'm not familiar with Nietzsche to make any comment on this. Could you explain? As for the intellectual validity of the argument, it would have to show how "freedom" and "man's rights" came from religion and not secular enlightenment. To do so, it would have to demonstrate that historically this has been a concern of religion, and we see that it has not... until the post-enlightenment period. It has been against these castrating forces that religion set up "redefining itself" and has latched onto the very philosophy that it had fought against. If you have any ideas or examples of otherwise, I'd love to hear them. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
