On Monday 3 March 2008 9:45 AM Chris writes to Ron: Ron: The DQ/SQ divide is the intellectual/reality divide. Pirsig says killintellectual patterns and morality is served. Reality is realizedMore fully. Reality being patterns of Quality. Intellectualize all youWant but doing so buries you deeper in SOM. Chris: This is simply not right at all - I feel. What you are talking about is Zen. Not the MOQ. Furthermore, this, I fear, is exactly the kind of talk that will kill the MOQ. The MOQ is a theory - it isn¹t the Dynamic Quality it talks about as well we all know, and it can never be. The DQ/SQ divide brings about a new way of interpreting the world - but that¹s what we do with the MOQ - we interpret. Even the WORDS Dynamic Quality brings us away from it. But it is still better than the SOM. That¹s why we fight for it. If anyone here wishes to ³save Quality from intellectualizing² I suggest you try Zen out. It has worked quite well for the last 1400 years or so - but please don¹t talk about it, don¹t try to put names on it, and DON¹T confuse it with the MOQ. The MOQ is a theory, one that may bring about Better Days for mankind - but that makes it something. Static. Not DQ. Not God. Not Zen. but a Good theory. Regards Chris Hi Chris, Ron, and All, In the story I used to show the movement of reality from an Absolute to the Moon, it seems the simple matter becomes more complex matter. (I don¹t have a different word for substance.) For Pirsig evolution describes a movement from the more complex to the more rarefied from the inorganic dq/sq of the moon to the dq/sq that characterizes the intellectual level. What are the steps? I make two suppositions inner/outer reality, and seven steps instead of 4/5. Perception of the first three steps of evolution focus on the moon¹s influence on the Earth. The next three steps on the Earth¹s influence, the next step the influence of the planets, and finally the blazing influence of the Sun which starts the whole process. From heavy material to more rarefied material. When Earth gets involved and Social and Intellectual steps are made, the next step is totally inner MOQ meta level. Our individual preparation for the more rarefied level is hindered. E.G., MarshaV¹s grandson¹s reaction to the backfire of a car indicates how reaction scars occur that can influence the child¹s behavior. When the inner reality changes a more heavy-mechanical reaction takes place. Joe
On 3/3/08 9:43 AM, "Christoffer Ivarsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ron: > The DQ/SQ divide is the intellectual/reality divide. Pirsig says > killintellectual patterns and morality is served. Reality is realizedMore > fully. Reality being patterns of Quality. Intellectualize all youWant but > doing so buries you deeper in SOM. > > Chris: > This is simply not right at all - I feel. What you are talking about is Zen. > Not the MOQ. Furthermore, this, I fear, is exactly the kind of talk that will > kill the MOQ. The MOQ is a theory - it isn¹t the Dynamic Quality it talks > about as well we all know, and it can never be. The DQ/SQ divide brings about > a new way of interpreting the world - but that¹s what we do with the MOQ - we > interpret. Even the WORDS Dynamic Quality brings us away from it. But it is > still better than the SOM. That¹s why we fight for it. If anyone here wishes > to ³save Quality from intellectualizing² I suggest you try Zen out. It has > worked quite well for the last 1400 years or so - but please don¹t talk about > it, don¹t try to put names on it, and DON¹T confuse it with the MOQ. > > The MOQ is a theory, one that may bring about Better Days for mankind - but > that makes it something. Static. Not DQ. Not God. Not Zen. but a Good theory. > > Regards > > Chris > _________________________________________________________________ > Spara, redigera och organisera dina foton enkelt med Photo Gallery! > http://get.live.com/photogallery/overview > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
