Bo:
Ron has expressed some agreement with my entries on this 
thread, but  I've grown a bit wary, no sooner has a reasonable 
post arrived from Ron before another "kills" the first and his 
above is an example. "The DQ/SQ divide ...etc."  possibly means 
that (he sees) the MOQ as a 4th. level pattern which it isn't: The 
4th level is a MOQ pattern and according to the container logic a 
smaller such can't contain the bigger, but who needs logic on this 
forum?  

Pirsig's on "killing intellectual patterns" means that intellect's S/O 
is what one must free oneself from before the MOQ's moral 
universe can be reached. That intellectualizing only brings one 
deeper into SOM is correct enough, but in Ron's view this means 
that the MOQ is intellect and must be transcended to reach 
Nirvana.   

Ron:
Well lets just address the reasonable ones as a starting point.
Then, If I may, I will introduce my later comments. I am filled
To the brim with questions for you and admittedly it gushes forth
As unrecognizable gobbeldy gook.







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