[Chris to Khaled] As for the answer I don't know, but I do believe balance is the key.
[Arlo] As do I. What you see often here from some is the classic "Good v. Evil" battle continually recast, sometimes over the "individual/collective" question, and here over the DQ/SQ question. That is we are told that DQ is "freedom and glory and goodness" while SQ is "stifling evil and suffocation and the cause of all suffering". DQ becomes, as you suggest, simply another word for "God", and SQ becomes of course "Satan". I don't think Pirsig sees it this way. I think DQ and SQ are cast together like the eternal Yin-Yang, inseparable, mutally dependent. Pirsig himself says as much. "Without Dynamic Quality the organism cannot grow. Without static quality the organism cannot last. Both are needed." (LILA) The goal would seem to be to create a system that while open to the greatest amount of DQ possible, the system reflects the static latching needed in order to sustain the Good things so achieved. There is also a myth here that the "free market" was on the verge of creating a veritable Utopia when big, bad guvermint came in an ruined things. There is a reason why there was a social mandate to reign in the "free market", and that was the low quality of life experienced by the great majority following the "unregulated success" of the turn of the century. The market had created enormous wealth for Carnegies and Pullmans and the barons of industry, but the Chicago River was turned into a festering swamp of coagulated blood and rotting flesh. Miner's wives saw their husband's bodies dumped by the door of their shack and told to move out. Children were working 16 hour days in dangerous jobs, and earning less each week than the cost of a loaf of bread. Even moving into the 20the century, business dumped toxic chemicals without concern for any local populations, and when they were indicted here they simply began dumping their toxic chemicals wantonly across the border. In West Virginia, a mining company knowingly sent miners into silica-laden mines without the proper protection (too costly), and reaped huge profits while the miners choked to death on their own blood. Prior to public education, poor children had no chance of ever going to a school, education was reserved for the wealthy. It was these conditions that moved people to demand regulation, it was not imposed by some evil outside agency, it was demanded by the people after witnessing the realities of an "unregulated market". Wage laws, child labor laws, workplace safety laws, pollution regulations, disposal regulations, all these were the result of people coming together and saying that our vision must be on greater concerns than simply "wealth production". But they did not do away with the "free market", they did not abolish private enterprise and entrepreneurship, rather they moved towards balance, and it is that balance which has led to the material quality of life in the West. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
